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D46 Parents Want to Talk to Teachers' Union

The District 46 School Board hosted a 'Town Meeting' Tuesday to discuss teacher contract negotiations and have a dialogue with residents concerned over the looming strike date.

 

At least 100 residents attended a "Town Meeting" hosted by the District 46 School Board Tuesday to hear the district and union's best and final contract offers, ask questions and voice concerns for what happens next.

"What are we supposed to do when the teachers go on strike?"

"Is it all about money or what's best for my child?"

"What can we do as parents to help?"

These were just a few of the questions raised by parents at the meeting who thanked the board for hosting the forum but also expressed a strong desire for the union to afford the community the same opportunity for dialogue.

D46 Supt. Ellen Correll said she would relay to the union that parents are interested in a meeting of their own, to hear their side, but it would be the union's prerogative to have a sit down with the community.

Final offers

The school board says the ball is in the union's court where contract proposals are concerned, but the district is willing to return to the table for further discussion prior to the Jan. 16 strike date set by the union last month.

"There has got to be some give and take, said Ray Millington, board president. "We are waiting for a response to our proposal. We have left the door open."

Since contract negotiations began last February, there have been 12 sessions between the union and district and four sessions with a federal mediator present.

The last negotiating session was held Nov. 28, at which time both sides presented their best and final offers. There was some give, but no takers. No other sessions have been scheduled.

The district has agreed to a two-year teacher contract, but is holding firm on instituting a salary freeze with no step or lane changes. However, the board has offered to give all certified staff who have not submitted a notice to retire a $1,000 stipend in year two, which would cost the district about $300,000.

Initially, the union proposed a 3 percent salary increase for both contract years.

Teachers now agree to continue working at their current 2011-12 salary schedule for next school year, but they want lane change compensation paid in February 2013, which would cost $200,000, and two salary steps scheduled for Sept. 2013 and March 2014, which would cost $750,000, according to the district.

There is no money to give teachers pay raises, said officials. The budget already has a $1.2 million deficit that will only increase if teacher salaries are increased, said Anna Kasprzyk, chief school business official. The increased tax levy won't relieve the deficit either, she advised. In fact, the district could reach a negative fund balance in 2018.

The union contends teacher salaries are already below average in comparison to other area districts, and that the district can afford to pay raises given the $8.2 million surplus it reported to the Illinois State Board of Education.

According to the board, the district will see a $1.45 million reduction in general state aid compared with 2012, and federal grant revenue is anticipated to decrease by about 25 percent. The board says it has no other sources of revenue to pay teacher salary increases, nor does it have any available long-term borrowing capacity.

What if?

Throughout the meeting, parents voiced their concerns, frustrated that they could not have such a dialogue with the union.

"I fully support teachers. The vast majority are excellent," said one parent. "But things are really tight right now. When was the last time teachers did not get a raise?"

This question drew chuckles from the audience. "As far as I know, it's never happened," said Correll.

Other parents asked questions about the fallout from a strike. They questioned whether striking teachers would still be paid, how missed days would be made up, and whether buildings would be open and staffed with non-certified employees.

Striking teachers would not be paid, said the board, and what the district will do about missed days has yet to be determined.

The state's legal minimum requirement for a school year is 176 instructional days. Each day lost and not made up equates to a $34,000-a-day loss of state funds, said Kasprzyk.

In the event of a strike, the board said non-certified staff would not be working either.

Correll said she has reached out to the district's Champions childcare program, which agreed to offer programs from 6:30 a.m. to 6 p.m. at Meadowview and Prairieview schools for $33 per day, per student, a price some parents balked at.

Some parents also urged the board to make a move and request more talks at the table, once a week until the strike date, if necessary.

"We want to do everything we can to avoid a strike," assured Millington.

The board plans to host a second town meeting on Jan. 9.

Related Topics: District 46, Grayslake District 46, Grayslake District 46 School Board, and Grayslake teacher strike

jeff jones

7:18 am on Wednesday, December 12, 2012

give the teachers their raise,they deserve it.maybe next time the working parents want a raise from their employer, we can have a town meeting and vote on it.sounds silly does''nt it.just like this purposed meeting.

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HAL E BERGER

9:46 am on Wednesday, December 12, 2012

For certain we must understand the current deficit and the impact on the future of this district. When I hear comments like this I wonder why we don't understand that if you give a raise now that D46 will need to cut staff both teachers and other to cover the deficit not much later. This is about the reality of running out of money, a real reality. Do you actually believe Grayslake would pass a tax referendum in this economy? I sure don't !!!

We all want and feel we deserve a raise. "Give them a raise", it's easy to say when your not the one paying for it. However if you rent or own in Grayslake D46 you are paying for it. So go ahead and put a referendum on the ballot, or tell your employer you won't work until you get a raise and let's see what happens?

By the way all of us can be replaced and there are +/-600 applicants for every open position including teachers. It is a shame that unions insist on putting people in positions they should not be in. Teachers have a choice and they don't need to let it happen. To me not having a choice to support your own family income is why right to work employers and states are making more and more sense. I wouldn't want some fool putting my job at risk to make a political point in an economy that clearly lacks cash flow in a school district that is openly in deficit. This is a fools play in my mind. By the way if there is a strike the union staff & employees won't be on striike and will still get paid.

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Justin Fact

2:29 pm on Friday, December 14, 2012

Money Facts-
It just doesn’t add up. The teachers, administrators, and other staff members have all been taking pay freezes off and on over the past 3 or 4 years. Where has the money gone?
According the the Dec. PMA presentation given at the Board meeting, the overall budget for this year shows that District 46 has no money and needs to go into deficit spending. The exact numbers were not really explained. I did find a footnote on the bottom of slide 16 a little interesting.
It states, “Additional Note: Previous projections excluded certain fund balances that were considered restricted. Per the district no current operating fund balances included in the projections are restricted and are available for current expenditures.”

This statement leads one to believe that the board has money that is not considered “current operating funds”. As such, then these funds would be restricted and not part of the PMA financial report. Doesn’t the board pay PMA to report on such matters as they see fit? I will have to dig a little more on the ISBE website to find out more about the budget filed there compared to what the board says they have. Stay tuned...

Benjamin Dover

8:19 am on Wednesday, December 12, 2012

Jeff...So you think its silly when taxpayers want to have some input as to how one of the largest portions of their property bill is spent?

You say "they deserve it"...please explain that, what is that based on?

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jeff jones

8:28 am on Thursday, December 13, 2012

that is based on you being able to respond to this.who taught you to read and write?A TEACHER. who paid for your education? property taxes.if there are people who think they can do better ,step up.you want to save money?elimanate the swimming pools and sports and concentrate on the education

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HM

7:23 am on Friday, December 14, 2012

ummm, Jeff - are you from around here? District 46 is a K-8 district. No swimmng pool. We pay huge fees for our kids to participate in all activities. ($225 for basketball alone). We do not have a lot of luxuries here. Our high school has no pool either - we are not the North Shore. Get your facts straight please. Understand our tax situaion...I have a house valued at under $280,000, and pay $14,000 in property taxs. Of that $14K, over 70% of it goes to the schools - district 46 for K-8, and District 127 for high school. We have a real crisis here - taxes are out of line with property values, D46 is woefully mismanaged, and is looking at deficit spending for the forseeable future. There is simply no money. In a perfect world it would be nice to just pay everyone more, but we are very far from a perfect world in Grayslake. There is really nothing left to cut here. The gifted program was eliminated years ago, we have to share art and music teachers across the schools...and art and music are likely first on the chopping block if we have to pay the teachers more. I would rather keep all those programs but if the union pushes too hard, those will be cut, or gone next year.

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Benjamin Dover

8:17 am on Friday, December 14, 2012

jeff...I went to school in the '60s and '70s and my teachers never once considered, talked about, or threatened to go on strike. Teaching is their job, doing your job does not automatically qualify you for a raise. It seems your teachers did an extremely poor job if you think thats how the world works. Back here in reality, it isn't that easy to just say "they deserve it".

January 16...odd date don't ya think...oh wait, its just after winter break and coincidentally the day after payday. I guess is all about the kids after all and not about money.

Jose Cuervo

8:50 am on Wednesday, December 12, 2012

Idea - Board, lock them out on Friday December 21st. Parents find child care for that date. This forces the strike. No pay during a strike, no benefits during a strike. Budget balanced! No missing educational time for the kids. Parents already have to find alternatives for their kids those weeks.
Can this be done?

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Brad Faxton

9:18 am on Wednesday, December 12, 2012

Parents find childcare? You are assuming that everyone is divorced or dual income family. What a greedy assumption.

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Angela Sykora

9:34 am on Wednesday, December 12, 2012

The question of a lockout was mentioned, but board attorney Kevin Gordon said that would "raise a whole set of issues." He said the district favors having more time to prepare and ultimately avoid "disrupting the educational process." They would want to negotiate until the last minute if they could, he said.

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Pete Gardner

2:46 pm on Wednesday, December 12, 2012

I think your idea has merit Jose. Angela, thank you for relaying what the board attorney said. I was there and one thing that I noted was that he didn't say it can't be done. Jose's idea removes the "disruption of the educational process". It forces the strike when the children aren't scheduled. It gives the district holiday time to negotiate. Seems to me this idea, while it may raise some issues, it also just may solve the problem.

HAL E BERGER

9:23 am on Wednesday, December 12, 2012

Jose Cuervo makes an interesting point --

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HelloKitty

10:15 am on Wednesday, December 12, 2012

There is money in the ed fund, that money can only be used for teachers and teachers benefits. 8.9 million dollars. Lets make cuts some where else where it doesnt directly effect our kids. I want my child to be successful in school. Last night was very one sided, when is the last time a board member has been in a classroom ?????????? Our schools are only as good as our teachers, get real people its the board that needs to step down. They forgot why they are even sitting up there, this for the kids and get over it. Kids cost money if you dont have the money dont have kids !!

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Lennie Jarratt

10:55 am on Wednesday, December 12, 2012

@HelloKitty stated, "Kids cost money if you dont have the money dont have kids !!" Are you saying that anyone without kids doesn't have to pay? I'm guessing not and that statement was just hyperbole.

Second, the district is already deficit spending. If they dip into the ed fund any more, they will not have the money to sustain them throughout the year without short term borrowing. Short term borrowing (TAW - Tax Anticipation Warrants) are very expensive. Once the district starts down that path, they will very quickly spiral into a sever financial crisis where the state may very well step in and take control. The community loses virtually all input and direction at that point.

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HAL E BERGER

11:58 am on Wednesday, December 12, 2012

SORRY I'M LAUGHING MY @@@ OFF -- I can remember no time in the history of my being in Grayslake where the D46 budget had 8.9 million of anything that wasn't already budgeted to cover an imminent expense, spent or allocated or awaiting writing a check to pay for those teachers. Remember D46 must pay for the rest of the school year. Public accounting is not dollars in dollars out like a local cash business. Tax proportions are collected from property tax and then allocated and set aside for use during the full school year against the planned and expected budget determined by expected planned and contracted costs.

If they had 8.6M in the ed fund that wasn't allocated to salaries and pensions NO ONE WOULD BE IN THIS DEBATE and the teachers would have a settled contract.

Why is it that so many think a school district must be hiding money, not using money, or won't allocate it toward some future goal. Things are generally always cash flow tight and it is a lot harder to find places to cut a few dollars than you might think.

Run for the board and give it a try, you will see reality very fast. Cash flow -- The reality is you will know on the very the first day you get sworn in exactly how tough D46 finance is between contracts, unfunded mandates, and demands from all sides that many times can defy logic and reality. Your board is trying to do the right thing for the whole community. They are the only defense the community has.

Softball Jim

11:39 am on Wednesday, December 12, 2012

Mr Jarratt,
What are your recommendations to cut costs? what specifically do you suggest? Do you want to cut classes? Teachers? Administration? Please be specific.
Thanks

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HAL E BERGER

12:15 pm on Wednesday, December 12, 2012

I'm no longer on the D46 Board and as a past President of the Board then I simply put could not say what would happen because the isssue and the costs are not settled.

BUT AS A PRIVATE CITIZEN I CAN TELL YOU WHAT I WOULD DO AS PRESIDENT TODAY!!

If I was forced to deficit spend further everything would be on the table, I'd need to talk about everything from facilities, adminsitraiton to teacher staffing and curriculum. You see you can only deficiit spend so far and then you must pay the piper.

A deficit specifically in the Ed fund. Goodness -- I'd hate every minute of my time on the board if it came to pass but here goes ---- recess & the staff, lunch and the monitors, sports during and after school, gym, art, and music would all need to be reviewed because the core courses are not an option to most of us and at any cost would need to be retained. I'd also be forced to consider cuts to aides, non tenured teachers, we would head toward larger class size and perhaps even delays in some materials for teaching, then finally if the budget continued out of sink layoffs of tenured staff woulld no longer be an option, support staff, and some adminstrators too.

The good old days are gone - manufacturing money is not happening in this economy in D46 so everything would need to be considered. Let me share with you for your unpaid board member it would be the most painfull thing anyone could ever do but FOLKS "REALITY" - THINGS ARE NOT GOOD IN THE ECONOMY !!!

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Lennie Jarratt

5:26 pm on Wednesday, December 12, 2012

@SJ, I have sat down with a couple board members (Sue & Karen) and explained to them a plan that would help them bring long term fiscal sustainability to the district. The plan does not cut teachers or classes. It also raises starting salaries.

I did provide them some other areas where cuts could be made, but they are do not solve the problems like a contract does. They are in the order of a few hundred thousand over a few years. These should be discussed later once the contract is settled, since for now they would be just a distraction.

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Softball Jim

7:09 pm on Wednesday, December 12, 2012

Mr J. While I agree they could be a distraction, it all boils down to the same issue, MONEY. The board is saying there is no money which is most likely so, the Citizens and Buisness owners are saying don't raise my taxes, and the Teachers are asking for a raise. So where will the cuts come from to accomplish this task? I understand you have talked to Sue and Karen, I just was wanting your honest opinion on this matter. If you chose not to give details then I will just drop it.

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Lennie Jarratt

10:30 pm on Wednesday, December 12, 2012

@SJ, I am not providing specific details publicly right now out of respect to the negotiations process. If the strike does happen I will gladly release more details at that time if it would help bring a faster resolution. I'd be happy to speak with you privately about the details though if you wish.

HelloKitty

11:50 am on Wednesday, December 12, 2012

Last night there were plenty of community members concerned about child care and how much it would cost them if the teachers would strike. What do these parents do when their kids are sick ? School is not a babysitting facility. The board has been miss spending for YEARS and our kids are suffering because of that. Im willing to pay for top educators to educate my child. Once again a school is only as good as their teachers. Like location location locationon housing Since Grayslake doesnt have LOCATION what do we have ?? Good School come from GOOD teachers !! Who is going to want to teach here ?? Lets make the school board accountable for all their miss spending !! Who will be buying houses here ?? I would rather live in a apartment in Highwood and go to Highland Park Schools then live in the biggest house in D46 !!But I cant sell my house nor give it away !!The school board members and some community members have lost focuses, its about OUR kids and their education.

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C.Frank

3:55 pm on Wednesday, December 12, 2012

Some of "these parents" use thier vacation days to stay home when thier children are sick. Some of "these parents" accrue vacation time and have none or very few days available at the beginning of the year. There is a school calendar that "these parents" depend on, and schedule vacation time around. So for some of "these parents" there is a financial burden or lost vacation days related to a strike.

Diane Schommer

12:26 pm on Wednesday, December 12, 2012

In some ways I have the most and least interest. I do not have children, nor will I. Yet I pay almost $9,000 in taxes each year to the schools. As a graduate of public education I do feel an obligation to pay today what was paid for when I was a child. But I have to ask myself, what is my money getting me? I’ll admit I have no firsthand experience with what is being taught. I only hear about it from the children of my friends. To me, it appears all about the tools and technology, not about the actual techniques of teaching. Will the children learn better because they have touch screen monitors and computerized lessons? I don’t know. But as their future employer I can say that if they aren’t taught how to think, rationalize and problem solve it won’t matter their command of technology. And quite truthfully most jobs and life in general, doesn’t have all of that technology at their demand. Setting the expectations of the children that this is how the world works does them a disservice.

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John Bellomo

1:03 pm on Wednesday, December 12, 2012

This article says we have a $1.2 million deficit, but I read an article that had a quote in the Herald from our Mayor saying Grayslake was debt free.... How is that possible?

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Interested parent

1:46 pm on Wednesday, December 12, 2012

The Village of Grayslake and School district #46 are two totally separate entities. It's that simple.

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HAL E BERGER

4:38 pm on Wednesday, December 12, 2012

It's nice to realize that the town of Grayslake is debt free - and it is sad to note that we let the school districts like D46 build debt when it should have been stopped perhaps a few years ago.

Being a school board member is a tough unpaid job - best wishes to all of you.

PB&J

1:07 pm on Wednesday, December 12, 2012

Hal, you're right I guess I don't understand public accounting. You say the 8.9 million dollar surplus is already budgeted to cover expenses. I went back to read every article on this issue, and every where it states the district has reported a SURPLUS of 8.9 million dollars. Is the district lying to the state? How can they call it a surplus, if it is not?
Hello Kitty, you are right, schools are only as good as their teachers. I think everyone wants the best educated teachers teaching their children. The way teachers refine their skills is by taking classes and educating themselves. It is my understanding that the teachers agree to the pay freeze, they just want to be able to change lanes. When teachers take classes, earn master's degrees, they are compensated for this by changing salary lanes. I would think those teachers who have just spent several years and $15,000-20,000 of their own money (the district only reimburses a few thousand dollars toward classwork) earning their masters degree, would be a little upset to find out they do not get to change salary lanes. I want my children to have highly educated teachers! By not allowing these lane changes are we discouraging teachers from doing this? I have been very happy with the quality of education my children have received from District 46, I only hope that it continues. I'm not sure what the answer is...

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Joe Fox

4:38 pm on Wednesday, December 12, 2012

I'm with PB&J in trying to understand why the district has reported a surplus of $8.9 million in its financials and to the state, but is reporting a $1.2 million deficit to the union and taxpayers. Both figures cannot be right. Who is being deceived? The state, union, taxpayers, or all of the above?

John Bellomo

1:09 pm on Wednesday, December 12, 2012

Also what are we going to do about the drug problem in our schools. Is everyone aware of the number of high school aged children that are dying or being hospitalized with overdoses? Heroin, designer drugs and the biggest of all problems prescription drugs being stolen from parents and sold (Vicodin, Norco, Oxycodone, Xanax, Valium and even the ADD/ADHD drugs the kids themselves are on are fetching $5 bucks a pill) I know first hand because my daughter stole mine for the cash frequently. Parents of these children that are or have been treated for a drug overdose need to speak now. Police state they are ready to make random dog runs but are told to stand down due to the bad reputation it would bring to our schools and village. Demand answers to this before any raises are given.

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Brad Faxton

1:30 pm on Wednesday, December 12, 2012

Why do you have stockpiles of Vicodin, Norco, Oxycodone, Xanax, Valium in your house?

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Nightcrawler

3:28 pm on Wednesday, December 12, 2012

Personally, I'm not sure Mr. Bellomo is a real person. His posts read like something out of "The Onion."

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John Bellomo

8:58 am on Tuesday, December 18, 2012

I am real all right, I am a disabled Veteran of 20 years decorated Navy service, I read like the Onion? Really? Have you ever suffered so much pain that you cannot get out of bed, do you wear metal in several parts of your body? If not then shut your pie hole....I do not have stockpiles of drugs laying around, I have what is prescribed for pain and nerve damage. I also do not need to be telling you my personal business but have already shared. The stockpiles are in all of the other parents homes. Don't put your head in the sand, every parent of a high school student has had drugs missing and think they just miscounted. Kids know they can get up to $5 bucks a pill it is easy cash. I dare everyone to get a home drug test kit that includes the mentioned medications and test your kids.

M & M

1:14 pm on Wednesday, December 12, 2012

Last night's meeting was very one-sided, and honestly, I'm not sure if we really heard the whole truth last night. First of all, I can't imagine that the Union wouldn't understand that they are in a deficit and that cuts may need to be made. And I don't believe that they would be asking for a raise, if the money weren't there. The Union has agreed to take a pay freeze, which would help the budget bounce back-it wouldn't be huge, but it would help. Also, the Board showed on their PowerPoint that the Union is asking for a WHOLE 2 step lane change after the freeze, is that truly accurate? Because the Union would have to see that then there would be no purpose in the freeze, that will set them back again. How many teachers will be retiring within the next two years and will their position be replaced? Because that should be considered when talking about the budget. Yes, a strike will hurt everyone: parents, students, school staff, bus drivers...and that date is approaching quickly. The bottom line is that both sides need to continue to meet, even if that means that no progress is made at the meeting-make the effort! As a community we appreciate the time that both the Board and Union have put into this, but we do need to wrap it up. Come January 9th, at the next Town Hall meeting, I hope to hear either that they are wrapping up the final language of the agreement and that they have met at least a few times.

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Interested parent

2:02 pm on Wednesday, December 12, 2012

Last night's meeting was one-sided because the union wasn't there to represent their side. They could have shown up, but wouldn't. And undoubtedly, they gave the D46 teachers a directive to not speak. The homeowners are the ones footing the bill for these raises, and we have every right to speak our mind on this topic. If I ask my boss for a raise, it isn't paid out of my neighbor's property taxes.
And yes, the union DID request 2 lane changes in the 2013-14 school year, one in September, and a 2nd in March (if I recall the correct months). Of course they see that there is no purpose to the pay freeze in 2012-13...which is why the board didn't accept their proposal.
By no means do I think this board is perfect. However, this is like the perfect storm. There is no quick fix for this situation, and I blame the Union. The days in which we needed Unions is over...it's time IL (the state and the local gov't) starts re-thinking the way things are done. This is not a time when teachers are worried about working conditions. This union is solely fighting for money. We all know the union isn't blind to the economy, so exactly where do they believe this money will come from? Is it supposed to fall from the sky?

Concerned Parent

1:15 pm on Wednesday, December 12, 2012

John, Village of Grayslake is debt free. The school district is not. They are two different budgets.

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Isabel Tovar

2:22 pm on Wednesday, December 12, 2012

i was in the meeting last night and I know for a fact i can only recall one person requesting to speak with teachers.
just a waste of the teachers time of grading papers. so sad!

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HM

2:43 pm on Wednesday, December 12, 2012

My understanding is that the $8.6 million is the fund balance. I believe That money is there to cover expensed when the distirct must pay bills, but the tax revenue has not yet come in. Also, by law, the district must have a minimum amount in that account, or they get penalized in the form of inability to borrow at low rates, and eventually the liklihood that the state will intervene becasue the district can not manage its own finances (think Round Lake High School a few years back). So - if that money gets spent, and we have deficits projected into the future (which we do), then we run out of the fund balance very quickly. Once that money is gone, there is no mechanism in place to replace it. In addition, with no money, if the Union continues to push its agenda, then the raises will go into effect, but a lot of teachers will lose their jobs due to layoffs. That hurts the kids even more- larger class sizes, fewer extra-curriculars. It's pretty bleak out there right now. And please dont take your eye off of the proposals by the state legislators to push the unfunded teacher pensions on to the districts. If that happens, we are all in very real fiscal trouble on the lcoal level (don't kid yourselves- we are already in big trouble on a state and federal level).

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Pete Gardner

3:15 pm on Wednesday, December 12, 2012

I would like to thank the school board for hosting the meeting. I don't believe they were required to so my hat is off to them. I found the meeting informative. It was constructive in dialogue. I sensed the majority in the room understood the financial difficulties and the board's offer. I did not get the impression that they were not truthful; the offers are public as are the financials.
I would be very interested in attending a meeting with the union and teachers. I hope that they afford us an opportunity. I am using this forum to ask the union to hold a meeting similar to the one last night. Help me, help all of us understand where the money is to fulfill your proposal. Help us understand how you've come to decide on your proposal and how it can be justified in this economy. Help us understand how we can help, if we can help. We don't want you to go on strike. We are interested in hearing your side. We hope you will take us into consideration.

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Brad Faxton

3:36 pm on Wednesday, December 12, 2012

I simply can't get over how the town hall meeting didn't result in an election. Why on earth didn't the town hall elect a new school board the other night?

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Tara Strain

7:40 am on Thursday, December 13, 2012

For the record, I went back to grad school, completed 2 master's degrees & am making less now than I did with just my bachelors. There are many of us that have advanced degrees who have had to accept lower incomes and pay freezes as a result of this economy. Many of those in my cohort for my master's in teaching couldn't even find jobs, and all were supposedly "highly qualified" because of their degrees. My closest friend had 2 master's degrees and was riffed every year she taught special ed. Lane changes are fantasy in the real world... along with tenure. You want good teachers, forget about paying them for advanced degrees and tenure and start paying them what they deserve. Allow them to truly teach (not focus on standardized tests) and you will see those who are qualified to be there, and those who aren't. A degree means nothing if you aren't a good teacher.

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Terri

12:47 pm on Thursday, December 13, 2012

What does a good teacher "deserve"? Specificity would be helpful.

HAL E BERGER

8:53 am on Thursday, December 13, 2012

As for a budget review of the deficit - The D46 Board just had a town meeting.

Perhaps try calling a board member, go to the next board meeting, or contact the district office. Or perhaps the Patch or the press will cover this topic?

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Terri

12:50 pm on Thursday, December 13, 2012

The budget is in deficit; doesn't take a genius to see that. The reserves are adequate to cover the district, without borrowing, into 2015. That's gives us 3 years to keep our promises and solve our spending problem.

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HM

7:28 am on Friday, December 14, 2012

Terri - that is a dangerous route. The federal government plays that game all the time, and so does the insolvent state of Illinois. Is that really the way you think we should go....promise to look at ways to cut spending in the future, and extinguish our savings today? You seem quite familiar with D46 finances. There are few areas left to cut, and those that have room for cuts seem to always be off the table. AND...if the state funding decreased, which is likely, those reserves will not last even 2 years. AND...if the state pushes the pension liability to the districts, the reserves are gone. i don't think dipping into the reserves is a wise choice.

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Benjamin Dover

8:42 am on Friday, December 14, 2012

Terri...that's called "kicking the can down the road"....just an FYI...that's how United States got itself $16 trillion in debt. Do the least painful thing possible now in hopes things will get better in the future...most people who lives their lives this way end up at the same place...bankruptcy.

Here is what people like you and teachers don't understand.... nearly every (if not every) home in D46 is worth less now than it was 5 years ago and many have been foreclosed upon. People are hurting. Many have lost jobs and many more have gone without a raise (and don't complain since they still have a job)...if the teachers don't care enough to not ask for more, while so many of those who fund their salary are suffering, why would we care about what the teachers want?

Answer..we don't. If the offer is so bad here, pack you bags and go elsewhere. Good riddance. There are hundreds of applicants for every teaching position that comes open and I am sure some, if not many, are as good or better than the one they are replacing.

band mom

6:16 pm on Thursday, December 13, 2012

I think it is very interesting that union reps weren't at the town hall meeting or picketing outside of GMS on Tuesday. But they wanted to be seen and heard outside of Frederick while the 5th and 6th grade band students and their families were arriving for their band concert. Wonder if there will picketing next when the GMS bands have their concert.

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Niner 1

10:05 pm on Wednesday, December 19, 2012

If tonight's choir concert at GMS is any indication they will be back tomorrow night for the band concert. Which makes me not want to go to my daughter's concert. I am all for Lock Them Out!

Concerned Parent

7:32 pm on Thursday, December 13, 2012

I say lock them out now and get this thing moving. No sense in waiting until Jan 16.

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Benjamin Dover

8:47 am on Friday, December 14, 2012

But if we don't wait until January 16 they won't get their paid holidays and besides that's the day after payday....coincidence?

Concerned Parent

6:09 am on Friday, December 14, 2012

Here's a thought... Lock them out next week. If they are locked out during the holiday break, we parents are less negatively affected with having to arrange childcare as we have likely already planned for that. This will put the negotiators back to the table during their break. Perhaps there will be some pressure applied by the rank and file on the negotiators to get this resolved since they are not getting paid right before the holidays. I am not convinced that the union is listening to the teachers anyway. Maybe this will motivate them to do so.

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M & M

9:28 am on Friday, December 14, 2012

I agree that we pay a lot of money in taxes. I think many of us are starting to lose focus here of the big picture-the budget. Many of you are now starting to bad mouth the role of many of your child's teacher: the past, the present, and the future! The role of a teacher isn't easy, they don't come in and JUST teach! They wear many hats and are emotionally attached to our children. So for those of you who think that ANYONE can just come in and start teaching our children, well I'm sorry, but I don't want someone to just start taking over the role of my child's current teacher. That person doesn't know my child academically or at the emotional level-that takes time and I feel that my child's teacher has done an awesome job of knowing who my child is! I commend my child's teachers and all the people that my child has contact throughout the day! Can someone tell me when we're going to start a forum of how you do at your job and how you can be replaced with someone better?

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Concerned Parent

10:40 am on Friday, December 14, 2012

I appreciate and agree with your comment M&M. I certainly am not advocating for replacement of any of the teachers. I think that they do a bang-up job with the kids and I can appreciate the many hats that they wear. From my perspective, I think that the public generally has a high regard for the teachers. I was very happy to see how the teachers were supported during the town hall meeting. I do, however, take issue with the Union’s approach to the situation. I know that they represent the teachers, but it seems that they are stuck on issues/matters that benefit only a select few (retirement and the flex spending). It seems that they have absolutely no problem with cutting staff in the next couple of years in the interest of getting the above two maintained in the contract. That is concerning! Further, the Union's points in their "informational" flyers to the public are misleading. Consequently, we have to have an open forum with the Union leadership, but I am 100% convinced that they will not allow that to happen. The unfortunate thing is that if they did have the open forum, they would hear how much the public appreciates the teachers, but we are in a very bad financial situation right now. Believe me, if the Union can show me where the money is to support their demands, I would support as high a raise for our teachers as possible and would support all of their other requests.

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Benjamin Dover

12:41 pm on Friday, December 14, 2012

M & M ...when you take a job like teacher, where you are paid with taxpayer money, this comes along with the job. If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. So when my salary is dependent on your property tax money I will gladly put myself in their shoes.

Here are some thing you might want to consider:
1. Teachers get pay raises based on a union contract, not their performance. Does your job work this way?
2. Once a teacher is tenured it is nearly impossible to fire them unless they commit a criminal act. Does your job work this way?
3. In D46, teacher's have received a pay increase every year for as long as the Superintendant can remember (her words). Does your job work this way?
4. A teacher gets summers off, three days at Thanksgiving, two weeks at Chrismas, a week in the Spring, plus personal and sick days they can take on a school day. Does your job work this way?
5. Obviously they don't care if your property taxes have to go up, causing some of your neighbors to lose their home, so long as they get theirs. Does that sound like they are emotionally attached to your kids? They don't even care if they put them on the street.

If they care so much like you claim they do, why do they not stand up to the union thugs who are supposed to represent them, join the real world, and realize the beaten down taxpayers have no more to give?

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Terri

3:04 pm on Friday, December 14, 2012

Teachers perform or they lose their jobs.

Tenured teachers can be remediated or fired. The district does it everyday. Should they do it more? Maybe, but it's work...there is a process in place for good reason.

D46 teachers have taken freezes often. Ms Correll was mistaken.

A teacher does not get summers, winter break, spring break or Thanksgiving off. They are paid to work 190 days and they work them or lose pay. There are no students in the school on those days, so, they don't have anyone to teach. Further, I believe most in the private sector get sick days and personal days...I do.

I wouldn't dignify your last point with a response.

PB&J

11:19 am on Friday, December 14, 2012

It would be nice to hear from the teachers, to see if the union is really representing them. But, unfortunately I don't think that is going to happen. As far as the issue of the union stuck on issues that only benefit a few, I might have to disagree. The retirement benefits effect all teachers, assuming they will eventually retire with the district at some point. The district has stated that the flex spending involves one-third of the staff.
Initially, I was against the flex spending. I don't know any public or private employers that offer this any more! Then, I found out district 46 only pays for single insurance coverage. They contribute $0 toward family coverage (same goes for the administration staff). The cost is well over a $1000 a month for the district family insurance. Those wanting family insurance purchase it outside of the district. It seems a little discriminatory for the district to offer free single coverage and nothing for family. I think this is why the union fought to keep the flex money. The again, we don't know... they won't tell us.

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Terri

2:53 pm on Friday, December 14, 2012

There was an opportunity to dialog with teachers the other night at the band concert; although the teachers weren't allowed on school property. One of the posters here scowled at them and didn't bother to look at their side. Many took the time to listen...me for one.
The flex issue was far more complex. While it will go away on its own through attrition, I think something should be done to scale it back...gently and fairly. The boards proposal was designed politically to polarize the teachers.

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HM

3:03 pm on Friday, December 14, 2012

Terri - disrupting a band concert is not the appropriate forum. You should know better - you say you are fair minded. If the teachers really want to talk to the public, then they should create a real forum where actual discussion can take place, not at a protest. And before you say it was not an official protest, it was not a genuine effort at dialogue.

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Terri

3:07 pm on Friday, December 14, 2012

I had plenty of dialog with several teachers...some we agreed, some we didn't. Some liked my ideas and agreed to pass them along. There was no disruption...I heard the whole concert. And, no, it was not a protest.

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Jose Cuervo

3:23 pm on Friday, December 14, 2012

Terri you think you know me but you don't. There were many parents and posters here who scowled at the protestors. And that is what it was, protesting. Using a child's concert, celebratory function, to get your side out? Classless. Hold a forum. Have a meeting. Do it with the adults, NOT in front of the kids.
The working conditions in this district are beautiful. The parents are helpful and dedicated. Average pay. Nice kids. Good coworkers. There is very little room to complain about a day in the life as a worker here.
No doubt their will be protesting (opportunity to dialog with teachers-SCOWL!) at the concerts scheduled next week right? As many as you think took the time to listen there were far more who fumed at the inconsideratation and disruption. Completely NOT about the kids.

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HM

3:27 pm on Friday, December 14, 2012

That is NOT the place for dialogue. It was disruptive to a number of families I spoke with. It the teachers/union want real dialogue, then they should call a town-hall type of meeting - not put signs in your face and disrupt the concert. The families I spoke with wanted to go to the concert to see their kids, and many have to rush home from work and rush through dinner to get there on time. The last thing they wanted was to engage in discussion about the current impasse. It was simply not the time nor the place. If they do it at the middle school concert, I thinkg that will be wrong as well. If they want a dialogue, then they should set up an appropriate venue.

Jose Cuervo

12:49 pm on Friday, December 14, 2012

News of a school board meeting on monday to discuss and vote on something regarding the strike. Tell me its a lockout?! If it is I will take monday off to be at that meeting and shake the hands of every board member!

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Terri

2:56 pm on Friday, December 14, 2012

I know you're he##- bent on a lockout. You made that clear in the meeting and to teachers at the band event. Why lock-out? Why not settle it right now? Why not sit down at the table today and avoid lock-outs & strikes?

Justin Fact

2:32 pm on Friday, December 14, 2012

Money Facts-
It just doesn’t add up. The teachers, administrators, and other staff members have all been taking pay freezes off and on over the past 3 or 4 years. Where has the money gone?
According the the Dec. PMA presentation given at the Board meeting, the overall budget for this year shows that District 46 has no money and needs to go into deficit spending. The exact numbers were not really explained. I did find a footnote on the bottom of slide 16 a little interesting.
It states, “Additional Note: Previous projections excluded certain fund balances that were considered restricted. Per the district no current operating fund balances included in the projections are restricted and are available for current expenditures.”

This statement leads one to believe that the board has money that is not considered “current operating funds”. As such, then these funds would be restricted and not part of the PMA financial report. Doesn’t the board pay PMA to report on such matters as they see fit? I will have to dig a little more on the ISBE website to find out more about the budget filed there compared to what the board says they have. Stay tuned...

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Terri

2:57 pm on Friday, December 14, 2012

Looking forward to reading your discoveries!

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HM

3:17 pm on Friday, December 14, 2012

There has never been a pay freeze. The union agreed to a smaller increase for one year, but NEVER a freeze, and NEVER a cut in pay. Please get your facts straight. We are in a deficit - the $8 million or so is fund balance, required by law. The district must have funds on hand to cover expenses that come due before tax revenues and state funds hit the bank. Why is that so hard for people to understand. With deficits looming for the next few years, there is no way to replenish those funds if they are spent, which is why it is imperative that they not get spent. If that account gets too low, then we run the risk of the state intervening and taking over our finances.

Jose Cuervo

2:47 pm on Friday, December 14, 2012

Wrong Justin Facts. The teachers have never taken a pay freeze. NEVER. The lowest increase they've received in the past decade is 2.75% and that is on their base. That does not include step and lane changes. The avg. % increase in this district including step and lane changes is over 6%. Don't believe me? Ask for the numbers from the business office. The year the staff agreed to a reduction in their INCREASES (from 4% to 2.75%) they received bonuses of over $1000/ea. The administration received $5500 bonuses. These were from Federal funds.
Those are the FACTS Justin.

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Justin Fact

3:08 pm on Friday, December 14, 2012

I am mistaken on that part. You are correct on the reduction part. Thank you for clarifying. However, something is a little rotten with the board. Still looking for more facts, but have learned that the terms "Working Cash Flow" is different than "Cash on Hand". Apparently the board never talks about, or presents the total cash on hand. I would like to know more about their reserves. Cuervo, do you have a source that could shed some light on the missing money trail?

Justin Fact

3:56 pm on Friday, December 14, 2012

Special thanks to the families4d46education for giving me the following info which can be found in the districts budget that was filed with the state in which you can FOIA. Apparently there is $26,151,135 in a "cash on hand" fund that is money that is carried over from year to year. I guess kind of a rainy day fund so to speak. I spoke to some individuals that follow educational finance and they mentioned that the state recommends a 20% fund balance for districts to have from year to year just in case the state doesn't pay their bills. The district budget states that there is $70,396,922 Total amount available. (Again you can FOIA to verify the numbers) That leads to approximately a 37% fund balance. So it appears the board is not spending money and holding on to it for economic hard times. Glad that is not happening anywhere. When was the last Ed Fund referendum anyway? I can't remember one and I have been here for 13 years. I know the district has built 2 or 3 buildings in that time, but I only remember referendums to build the buildings passing. Cuervo, you have idea when that took place? Seems like the all mighty dollar has been stretched as far as stretch armstrong's arms. Hope things don't snap.

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HAL E BERGER

10:01 am on Saturday, December 15, 2012

This is wishful thinking accounting folks. This district is in deficit as I understand it and incorrectly reading the budget does ot make a positive cash flow.
Please p;eople if your going to qwork so hard do it accuarately. I suggest you need to talk to the D46 superintendent, the board, and the business manager and not each other.

That is not how public accountiing works there is no rainy day fund like this there are ongoing bills all year to pay from property tax distributions that are not every month but only once or twice per year while payments extend for the full year. .

Terri

7:34 am on Saturday, December 15, 2012

Justin
The concept of your argument is valid. I think your numbers are a little high, though. Doesn't change the fact that you're right...we have the money. I would call this a rainy day and spend the next 3 years shoring up the roof.

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HM

8:37 am on Saturday, December 15, 2012

Shoring up the roof? For what? so it can collapse in 3 years due to the enormous weight of continued deficits? This is what the state of Illinois has done with pensions - they have spent the money on everything else, and kicked the can down the road, and now there so far in debt they don't know how to get out. Granted, D46 is a much smaller scale, but he result is the same - spend your "rainy day" money at a time when there is no proverbial light at the end of the tunnel, and in 3 years, we have no rainy day fund, teacher layoffs, the loss of art and music for our students, continued deficts, the very real possibility of pension liabilties being placed on the districts, continued forclosures in our community, and the state coming in to run our district. Our teachers have never missed a raise...ever. The year they agreed to take a smaller raise, Ellen made that up with the bonuses from the stimulus funds, giving some teachers a bigger increase than what the original contract called for. It is time for shared sacrifice, and the sacrifice here is scant for the teachers. The folks in the private sector have been sacrificing for years, not only at their jobs, but also by continuing to pay more and more and more in property taxes.

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Terri

9:15 am on Saturday, December 15, 2012

I guess my roof analogy was over your head. The surplus, plus gains in the contract, will give the district 3 years to analyze spending, put health care out to bid and myriad of other things to eliminate the deficit.

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HM

10:21 pm on Saturday, December 15, 2012

I would love for you to give me one concrete example of any tax-payer funded entity where this has happened. Sure - pay me today and I'll make cuts in the future. That is pure folly! The fed government, the state of Illinois, and countless other states have made such "promises", only to continue to increase spending, and look where THAT has gotten us.

WorriedParent

8:46 am on Saturday, December 15, 2012

We have the money? Regardless of those funds, we are still in deficit spending. So lets continue to deficit spend for the next 3 years so the teachers can get what they want now? And when this 2 year contract is up, they will then demand they get their 6% raise....again. But then that "money" you think there is, is completely gone. Then what? And this will be after our taxes will continue to increase in these years, more people will lose their homes and teachers will lose their jobs and possibly close a school.

And showing their disruptive tactics at children's event is awful. Just as you said, they should get together again and talk. But the board gave their final best yet again and obviously the union still doesn't like it. Why are they not trying to come back with a different solution instead of now requiring the teachers to show up at school events to be disruptive and put it in the faces of the kids? Why is the union not trying to arrange more talks, is it not in their court now? I would love to hear their side in an open public forum. And from what I have heard many teachers are not all on board with the union.

A lockout would force them to come back to the table. Instead of dragging this out with more union tactics. A lockout takes away the unions leverage and puts it back in the teacher's hand where it should be. Then maybe this can all be settled before the kids come back from the holidays, and THEIR lives and education are not disrupted.

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Terri

9:19 am on Saturday, December 15, 2012

Why not cancel winter break, have the kids and teachers in school, and get both sides to the table?

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WorriedParent

10:35 am on Saturday, December 15, 2012

I guess that went over your head, why get the kids involved in this? Teachers are grown ups. Let them get these negotiations going over the winter break. Meet with their union, come back with something other than flyers being passed out. Kids don't lose any school and teachers don't lose pay because, as you indicated, they don't get paid during breaks....only for 190 days of work. Wait for a strike, they lose pay.

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Terri

11:29 am on Saturday, December 15, 2012

In my scenario, the kids wouldn't miss any school, teachers wouldn't lose any pay, there would be no strike or lockout.

Teachers don't lose pay in a strike. The school year gets extended and they still work 190 days with pay.

Jose Cuervo

9:01 am on Saturday, December 15, 2012

I want to hear from any CPA or CFO who can justify in their business using "rainy day funds" to increase expenditures that will compound every year. In layman's terms, use your savings to increase your spending every year with no way of putting back into savings. Sooner or later you will run out of savings. It's a mathmatical certainty.
When the district goes backrupt because of the union's brilliant accounting practices the state will come and take over. Ask those in Round Lake what that felt like? The state won't look at "promises made" or the effect on the kids. They will look at dollars in/dollars out. They will cut accordingly without regard to person or program. THAT is a rainy day.

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HAL E BERGER

10:07 am on Saturday, December 15, 2012

This is wishful thinking accounting folks. This district is in deficit as I understand it and incorrectly reading the budget does not make it become a positive cash flow. Please people if your going to work so hard fighting about facts do it accuarately. I suggest you need to talk to the D46 superintendent, the board, and the business manager and not each other.

Many of these comments are not how public accounting works which is different than cash flow accountiing in the private sector. There is very limited if any rainy day fund and when a district is in deficit it is not likely there is any rainy day fund that is real at all. There are ongoing bills all year to pay from property tax distributions that are not every month but only once or twice per year while payments extend for the full year the budget may have cash today but it is earmarked and probably spent.

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Terri

11:08 am on Saturday, December 15, 2012

I understand the function of cash on hand. There would not be a negative balance, at any time the budget covers, until 2015. And that's if the deficit continued. It clearly cannot. A good contract can build in savings over time and a good board can find even more.

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Jose Cuervo

11:29 am on Saturday, December 15, 2012

@ Terri: "A good board can find even more".......LOL! Seriously? Maybe the meeting on monday is so the board can rub two pennies together and then plant a money tree?!
Riddle me this Terri, what is the motivation of the board to lie about the financial status of the district? Do you really, do the teachers really believe that the board is just sitting on piles of money that they don't want to part with? Do you think that the auditors, state, PMA, and administrators of this district are all in cahoots creating spreadsheets and manipulating numbers so that they can withhold funds from the staff? Quite a conspiracy theory you have.
I'll ask you again Terri, what would the motive be to withhold funds, hide money, sit on stockpiles of cash, knowing the teachers are completely willing to strike and force the kids out of the school?

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Terri

11:36 am on Saturday, December 15, 2012

Jose
Someone could show you the money and you'd jump on the wagon to refund it to taxpayers. You're a very bitter person with an axe to grind.

WorriedParent

10:37 am on Saturday, December 15, 2012

BTW, looks like the Monday meeting is at 6:30pm at GMS and not 1:00 like the Patch original reported. Guess they want more of the community to come?

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Angela Sykora

7:18 pm on Saturday, December 15, 2012

Thanks WorriedParent: This is news to me. I never received notice of the time change.

Jose Cuervo

11:51 am on Saturday, December 15, 2012

Terri I'll say it again, you don't know me. I disagree with your opinion. I challenge your thinking and you ascribe that to bitterness?! You are quick to judge another but unwilling to hear their point. I have a vested interest in making sure my son isn't forced into missing his scheduled days of education. I have a vested interest in keeping a roof over his head. I have a vested interest in making sure I'm not blindly following the words or numbers of one side when they aren't willing to sit publicly and explain it.
Why won't someone answer the very simple question without assuming there is an axe to grind behind it? I really would like to hear the explanation from anyone who actually knows the answer: What would the motive be to withhold funds, hide money, sit on stockpiles of cash? You have 7 people who can't agree on what color the sky is but they agree to withhold available funds???

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PB&J

1:05 pm on Saturday, December 15, 2012

Does anyone remember the year when the school board said there wasn't money in the budget to pay for art and music? They cut those programs and shortened the school day for an entire school year. New board members were elected, and all of a sudden there was money found in the budget ! All programs were reinstated and the school day no longer shortened. Just wondering if we're going down the same road again.

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Terri

1:44 pm on Saturday, December 15, 2012

I don't care who you are; that's Hal, Lisa and Mr Jarratt's neurosis. There is no motive to withhold funds. The posters on this board just don't like teachers.

The poorest people in this community have the most respect for teachers. They know they care, feed & clothe them because they cannot. They may not have the biggest tax bills, but they get it.

Lennie Jarratt

2:18 pm on Saturday, December 15, 2012

LOL, I find it funny how you continue to make up stuff and attack me personally. It seems you have a unhealthy obsession with me.

PB&J, you are correct. The new board members back then found ways to cut the waste, save money and restore the programs. It didn't happen immediately, but it happened.

The current board (gang of 4 - Millington, Facklam, Surroz, Weinert) appear to not be interested in finding solutions since they killed the Finance Committee and reject nearly every idea that does not come from their side. The gang of 4 have become petty and detrimental to long term quality education of the children in the district.

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Terri

3:04 pm on Saturday, December 15, 2012

Lets just attack them personally...LOL

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PB&J

12:40 am on Sunday, December 16, 2012

Lennie- I think Facklam and Weinert were on the board that helped to reinstate art and music back into the school day.

HAL E BERGER

6:15 pm on Saturday, December 15, 2012

Terri - no wonder your in the shadows -- pure nonsense.

Let me clarify because you refuse to use reason. Poor or rich doesn't make a difference we all want good teachers, small classs sizes, and art and music. I talk about budgets, the community, the deficit spending, the impact of further debt on both teachers and then later on our children's education aand on class size and potential cutbacks in deficit.

Let me be very clear, I have no issues with teachers never have there are three in my home and if we had the money I would support writing the check for all of them everywhere. Terri you seem to attack people for wanting to be reasonable and becuase many of us don't agree that deficit spending is reasonable.

A ludicrous strike when this district is broke,,,it isn't an attack on teachers it is just simply nonsense for the D46's future. By the way the teachers can vote to change that. The union is not in charge of the strike they are...

Who do I blame - I think we need to look at the union for telling teachers this is a good idea when the economy sucks, & for teachers for not taking the time to think this through & for not trusting D46 Admin or facing the economic reality of the times. Teachers voted to strike & they didn't have to they could settle for reality for now.

Sad, unions have a problem because this is what unions are doing across the country to try to prove they have value to their members &it hurts their members and community terribly.

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PB&J

12:36 am on Sunday, December 16, 2012

Jose C- Great working conditions ... the teacher's in the district have nothing to complain about? Are you kidding me? The completely inept school board is enough to make terrible working conditions! Not to mention the instability caused by the loss of three principals in the past two years. Avon for example, didn't have it's own principal for several years (having Barkley do double duty as Asst. Supt./Curriculum director AND principal of Avon) Since her leaving they have yet to even talk about replacing her Curriculum position. Also, for several years the district had no Director of Special Services. The teachers in the district have plenty to complain about( and I didn't even mention the two non air conditioned buildings!)! What happens on the school board and administration directly impacts the teachers!

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Tara Strain

8:21 am on Sunday, December 16, 2012

Terri. Being that you are a teacher, I want to politely suggest that you take a more mature and less aggressive stance. Your posts sound bitter and mean and frankly pretty selfish. How rude to assume that the poor are the only ones who care for our teachers. How selfishly assuming to say they are the ones who feed & clothe them. Students in this district are losing their homes. I remember similar posts from you and your D46 connected husband during the election days. Some things don't change. The solution to this problem is not going to come from your bitterness. Grace, understanding, and coming together as a community to seek a resolution is all we have. As long as you continue to point fingers, you will be creating divisions. Set the example for more unity. Do not allow yourself to become so negatively entrenched as a part of the problem.

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HAL E BERGER

3:36 pm on Sunday, December 16, 2012

Hi Terra Strain - Although you are correct whatever Terri is or is not that name is acting like what my kids call an internet troll. My kids say an internet troll is a person who won't identify themselves but throws stones to get people excited and creates trouble without sound solutions or reasonable responses. We don't know who Terri, or others like her are, Terri, could be a man, a woman, a child, a student, a teacher, or perhaps even a clandestine union rep stirring the pot. Terri can claim to be anyone, this is the internet people here don’t always tell the truth unidentified they have nothing at stake in the game
However today the politics here in D46, and nationally, has been to attack people you don't agree with personally and often. Do it harder especially when you don't have a valid argument. Teachers are not the issue D46, deficit spending, future cuts that I am certain will come later and will certainly impact our children to make up for any strike outcomes and costs. Yes the union might win while at the same time the children, the teachers and the community and D46 don’t. These costs are real and there is no district long term credit card. My view is simple the district should not deficit spend and the teachers can choose not to go on strike and face reality.

Terri

9:04 am on Sunday, December 16, 2012

Tara
I guess you can join the Hal, Lisa and Lennie club. First, I am not a teacher. I've made that very clear. 2nd, I am single...no husband or wife.

So, I'll ask again...what does a good teacher deserve?

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Lennie Jarratt

9:36 am on Sunday, December 16, 2012

Continuing on with the unfounded personal attacks I see. It's hard to have an honest an open discussion with such antics.

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HAL E BERGER

3:38 pm on Sunday, December 16, 2012

Actually you have not said who you are at all -- !!!

Jose Cuervo

9:31 am on Sunday, December 16, 2012

PB&J - your post honestly hurts my heart. It hurts it because I know many teachers who love it here. The parents, myself included, do what we can to show appreciation, help in classrooms, support the PTO. We have absolute appreciation of those who work here and truly do it because they love it.
No work environment is perfect. But you've indicated it is horrible to work here. I dont believe most share your sentiment.
However, if there are those who do, may I suggest seeking employment elsewhere? There is a class from SIU that graduated last weekend and are now seeking employment, I am sure most of them could tolerate working here.

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PB&J

11:24 am on Sunday, December 16, 2012

Jose, I sincerely apologize of my post being so negative. I am just opposed to the notion that everything is perfect for the teachers in district 46 that you stated.
The teachers do love working in district 46. They love working with students and their parents.
It is the school board and their lack of professionalism and policies that do ultimately effect the teachers. (there was a board member last year who wanted to investigate every teacher's absence on a particular day!) There are a lot of issues, many unknown to the public, that do not occur in any other district that I know of... This is not all a case of terrible unions, there are some legitimate issues with this board. And of course teachers are not going to speak ill publicly about the board.

Tara Strain

10:19 am on Sunday, December 16, 2012

Terri, what do our soldiers on the front line deserve? It's not a question you answer on a whim. Defining "deserve" is very tough in a fractured economy. Ideally, I think every working person deserves a raise once a year. What that amount is, how it's determined, or if it's even financially possible, I'm not sure. I personally believe that tenure can lead to complacency. If a teacher is great, regardless of their length of service, they should have job security. I think it's awful that families are not covered under our teachers' health plans (if that is in fact the case). I do not think that any teacher should be making over 6 figures, that includes administrators. I truly and honestly do not understand the financials, so I have not speculated on the specifics of those issues. I do know that I loved my kids' teachers while we were there, that I'm still a taxpayer in the district, and that my ultimate goal in posting is for the two sides to work together. The worst decision I've seen so far is picketing in front of the children on a day when they were to be the ones to shine. What poor examples we set sometimes. It's unfortunate to me Terri that you continue to play the blame game while hiding under an alias. What I respect about you though is that you care enough about this issue to be on here posting. If you felt that your input provided a workable and sustainable resolution, instead of barriers to unity, you'd post your real name.

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the10thinning

12:06 pm on Sunday, December 16, 2012

The board will let the strike last two weeks, not having to make payroll for two weeks will save the district some money and then they will agree on a contract with some give and take on both parts.

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