D46 Proposes $32.6 Million Tax Levy
Grayslake School District 46 held the first of three 2012 tax levy presentations on Nov. 26.
At an early morning meeting Monday, Nov. 26, the Grayslake District 46 School Board gave its first presentation on the tentative 2012 tax levy.
The school district is requesting a $32.67 million levy, which is an increase of $1.4 million or 4.5 percent over 2011.
Should the district actually receive this increase, the owner of a $200,000 home could expect to pay up to $400 more per year in property taxes, said Anna Kasprzyk, Chief School Business Official.
"A red flag should not go up, because we're not going to get that (amount)," said D46 Board President Ray Millinton of the $1.4 million tax increase.
The increase is more likely to be about $750,000, not $1.4 million, said Kasprzyk.
Last year, the district voted 4 to 3 to approve a $31.9 million levy, which represented an increase of $1.4 million or 4.64 percent over 2010. The district's 2011 tax levy extension, however, was $31.27 million.
The district is limited in how much it can seek to increase property taxes to 5 percent or the rate of inflation, whichever is lower. The rate of inflation is determined by CPI (Consumer Price Index). This year's CPI is 3 percent. Last year it was 1.5 percent.
It is necessary to pursue a higher tax rate, said Kasprzyk, to help offset a 12 percent decrease in the district's EAV (Equalized Assessed Valuation).
"Last year we had a $1.5 million TIF (Tax-Increment Financing) district expiring that we could tax. This year, we don't really have much new property," said Kasprzyk.
Without a levy increase, the budget shortfall would go from $1.2 million to $1.5 million or even $1.6 million, she noted.
The district has already lost $1.5 million in general state aid that the levy requested won't make up for, said Kasprzyk, adding the district will still be short about $700,000.
In September, the board approved a $49.1 million budget that includes a $1.2 million deficit.
Fund increases/decreases
Tax levy increases are requested for six of the district's eight major funds (Educational, Transportation, Working Cash, Municipal Retirement, Social Security and Bond & Interest).
No increase is requested for the Operations and Maintenance Fund. O&M reflects a decrease of $82,000 or 2.29 percent over 2011. There is also no increase requested for the SEDOL IMRF Fund, which shows a decrease of nearly $6,000, or about 16 percent.
The district is requesting a near $21 million levy for the Education Fund, which represents an increase of $1.04 million, or 5.26 percent over 2011.
The Transportation Fund levy request has increased 27.21 percent, Working Cash by 15.06 percent, Municipal Retirement by 11.52 percent, Social Security by 1.37 percent and Bond & Interest by nearly 3 percent over 2011.
Monday's school board meeting, which was not attended by members Michael Carbone, Kip Evans or Shannon Smigielski, was the first of several tax levy presentations that will be held.
The next presentation will be held at the Dec. 5 general board meeting, which begins at 6:30 p.m. at Grayslake Middle School. The meeting will include two public comment sessions.
A third opportunity to review the tentative levy will be at 6 p.m. Dec. 19 prior to the start of the regular board meeting at the Park campus. The school board will vote on the levy during this meeting.
The district must submit its levy request to the Lake County Clerk's Office by Dec. 21.
Updated: District 46 Increases 2011 Tax Levy (2011 levy)
Residents Speak Out Against District 46 Levy Increase (2010 levy)
Tadashi
6:46 am on Tuesday, November 27, 2012
Less properties to tax? Maybe because we are being taxed TO DEATH and people can't stand it anymore and foreclose, sell, leave, etc. meanwhile Woodland doesn't even have air conditioning and closes when it is over 80? Ridiculous.
Jeff
8:04 am on Tuesday, November 27, 2012
Is it too early for an April Fools joke?!?! I know it won't be too long until we get the hand-wringing and the "It's for the children" line from the teacher's unions as well. NO NO NO!
Chrystie Ortega
4:17 pm on Tuesday, November 27, 2012
What do teacher's unions have to do with this?!
Pete Gardner
8:18 am on Tuesday, November 27, 2012
As I read this my heart is heavy. Mr. Ray Millington, red flags shouldn't go up? Sir, I don't know how easy it is for you to continue to have money ripped from your pocket, but I do know how hard it is for me. I am on a fixed income. I find your attitude about taking any of my income, an abomination. With all due respect, you couldn't balance your budget. What an ideal world this would be if your position required you to do so before you impose a gross increase of my taxes.
Brad Faxton
8:44 am on Tuesday, November 27, 2012
"Monday's school board meeting, which was not attended by members Michael Carbone, Kip Evans or Shannon Smigielski, was the first of several tax levy presentations that will be held."
You three are a complete joke.
HAL E BERGER
9:25 am on Tuesday, November 27, 2012
Brad you are corrrect - they should attend board meetings and go on the record themselves even if they share a different view. My first year of my term we were a minority view the next election we went to the people and changed that.
Shannon
10:03 am on Tuesday, November 27, 2012
This will be my only post and it is to set the record straight. Kip, Michael, and I were notified there would be a special meeting held yesterday, last weds. night @7:30 p.m.. The night before Thanksgiving. We weren't asked if we were available, we were simply told to make it. This is the third special meeting called in 10 days where we were simply told when/where. We weren't asked for times/dates that we could attend to try to accomodate all 7 members.
Kip is attending a wedding for a longtime friend over the holiday weekend and that is why he wasn't at the meeting. I am not sure why Michael wasn't there. I recentely had rotator cuff surgery and had a follow up appt. already scheduled for the time of the meeting. Given it was a holiday weekend, I could not reaarange my appointment to accomodate the meeting.
It's that simple. I will NOT support the levy, but I will attend any and every meeting I can, but I need the opportunity to rearrange if needed and that simply wasn't a courtesy afforded to us.
Nick, the school board receives no compensation, not salary, not bonuses.
Angela Sykora
10:50 am on Tuesday, November 27, 2012
Hi Brad. Just to clarify, this was an early morning meeting at 9 a.m. Monday, not 7 p.m.
Brad Faxton
11:08 am on Tuesday, November 27, 2012
Man, I need a few more pumpkin soy late`s.
Shannon
4:02 pm on Tuesday, November 27, 2012
My apologies, after rechecking my email I see that I received notice of the special meeting on Tuesday night Nov. 20th @ 7:24 p.m. I responded to Ray advising of my scheduling conflict at 8:06 p.m. the same date. Kip had made the board aware of his absence for this week at the mediation session held on Nov. 12th. Our schedules and inability to accomodate the special meeting were well known to those who schedule the meeting.
I wanted to make sure the correct information and facts are what is discussed.
The agenda was posted on Weds. Nov. 21st, even though school was not in session. Notification of the meeting was sent out to all subscribers through the D46 email notification system on Sat.
Sandra Sims
9:10 am on Tuesday, November 27, 2012
You're the joke. Carbone, Evans and Smigielski know they will be overridden on the tax increase, just like they are every year. Can't wait to get rid of the 4 useless board members who can't balance a budget, and who only know how to raise taxes to the max every single year. "It's tradition". Sickening. You think it's such a good idea, why don't you write a check to cover the difference,, "Faxton"?
Brad Faxton
10:34 am on Tuesday, November 27, 2012
*throws the finger*
Sandra Sims
11:26 am on Tuesday, November 27, 2012
How very typical.
Nick
9:11 am on Tuesday, November 27, 2012
The district has a deficit, some schools don't have air conditioning, but yet the school board still receives their bonuses?? What do we get in return?? Increased taxes! I am disgusted, you guys are an e'ffing joke.
Angela Sykora
10:53 am on Tuesday, November 27, 2012
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HAL E BERGER
9:21 am on Tuesday, November 27, 2012
So it is to be that some of the members of the D46 Board are not much different than what we replaced years ago and won't stand tall for the community that elected them to office. Goodness are you really that afraid to do responsible government?
Now let's see first you will cave into the strike demands, Then come to the community hat in hand and tell us we must have the tax increase to pay for what we contracted for. It is one of the oldest school district ploys in the book and I think you need to be preapred for it to fail.
I say it iis time for a hard civic lesson and you will lose the tax referendum because people out here are hurting and you fail to get the message. You will then be forced to cut even more to balance the budget this will all be because you lack the courage to start doing what must be done today. Economic times have changed and it is tiime to adjust, adapt, and bite the bullet. You were elected to do the hard things, so do them. Rather than face the Union, the striking teachers, and the adminstration you plan to go to the community and ask to increase all of our taxes. THAT'S VERY FUNNY !!!
Let me go right to the front of the line and wish you GOOD LUCK in this economy !!! This lunacy in government trying to take the easy way out by passing it to the taxpayers has to stop and the people on the board that insist that in an almost critical economy that taxpayers pay more should be voted out of office !!!
WorriedParent
10:11 am on Tuesday, November 27, 2012
You didn't notice that the notice for this meeting came out to the public on Sat for a Monday morning meeting? That is because they need to give a 20 notice before voting and getting it to the state and Ellen almost dropped the ball. Not much time for the public or some of the board members to make the meeting. Besides we know Carbone, Evans and Smigielski are against it.
Bob Miaples
11:14 am on Tuesday, November 27, 2012
When will the school board get it? Yes, your budget has decreased along with every homeowner in the district. Instead of increasing to keep current standards you need to do like every other family and cut. If it's the fancy computers or music classes or increase class sizes, whatever. You need to cut. Yes it won't be popular but the most important aspect of a school is to teach the basics not tax the crap out of the homeowners to keep what you had when times were good. You already have forced homeowners to pay the highest taxes in Lake County, WAKE UP!
Marvin K Mooney
11:38 am on Tuesday, November 27, 2012
More tax levies-are you insane!! Do you want more foreclosures, you are going to tax people out of their homes??? The tax assessing in Grayslake is outright wrong already, someone needs to assess the awful Lake/Avon Twn tax assessors and D46's books. GL taxpayers are drowning just to pay their taxes, their families are suffering and for what...D46 bonuses, teacher's strike, D46 Board poor decisions, Village spending money on unnecessary Center Street columns...boo hoo - be glad to have a job & look harder to find the $$, always looking for taxpayers bail out! How much more do you want to destroy GL, do you want to see GL homeless & more businesses leave? PATHETIC
Grayslake Fan
1:01 pm on Tuesday, November 27, 2012
Angela-When was the press notified of the meeting?
Angela Sykora
1:19 pm on Tuesday, November 27, 2012
Hi Grayslake Fan. The media doesn't receive direct notices of meetings from the district. We keep track of when they are ourselves. However, I am subscribed to the district's e-News e-mail notifications. I received notice of Monday's meeting in an e-mail sent out on Saturday. I couldn't tell you if had been posted on the school board's Website prior to that. I wasn't looking for it because I knew the next regular board meeting wasn't until Dec. 5.
brian
1:18 pm on Tuesday, November 27, 2012
This is ridiculous. We can't refinance or sell our house because it's worth 72% of what we paid for it 5 years ago. Yet our property taxes went up 19% last year. How is that not enough? The school board, teachers, unions, administrators need to understand THERE IS NO MORE BLOOD IN THESE STONES!! The board members need to attend the meetings. If they are being scheduled with no prior notice, the person(s) in charge of that need to be identified and held accountable. We're all broke. Balance the budget without gutting your constituency. As Bob and Marvin said, make do with less, because less is what we all have. No raises, no bonuses, no strikes, no stupid brick columns. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!!!
Jose Cuervo
1:47 pm on Tuesday, November 27, 2012
Question, why was a special meeting, a presentation no less, done at 9:00 a.m. on a Monday morning following a long holiday weekend? The kids had a day and a half of school last week so how were the parents going to be notified of this meeting? Shouldn't we have been notified earlier than Sat. of any presentation so we could attend too? We constantly hear about "transparency" but this is as veiled as it gets!
The presentation wasn't for Jose-public, I didn't even know about it til I read this.I couldn't have gone anyway, I have to work to pay for the insane taxes this board takes. If this meeting was so special how come the parents were notified of it on Sat.? How did anyone know about the meeting other than those who subscribe to the district e-news email notification?
What about all those business owners? Were they notified?
WP is right. They had to schedule a meeting because they didn't plan right.
The presentation is scheduled for December 5th. The hearing on December 20th. That's 15 days not the 20 days notice needed between presentation and hearing.
This was a scheduling cluster.....by those who set the schedule for the presentation and hearing. They screwed up.
Now they are going to raise my taxes. The word inept is used a lot in regards to this board, they prove it true at every turn.
HAL E BERGER
2:47 pm on Tuesday, November 27, 2012
Because it was as close as they could get to a closed door secret meeting... Shame on the board members who allowed this types of meeting to be set.
I think it is time to take a close look at who these people are and the administrator who suggested this type of session. It is a close as you can get to a violation of the open meetings act without crossing the line. That is not the spirit of the law and public disagreements are a part of democracy. When they are running for re-election? Whose term is soon to be up? It seems perhaps a few members have been there too long and are too close and forgot that Grayslake elected them?
The Schools Ate My Money
3:09 pm on Tuesday, November 27, 2012
The Schools Ate My Money
You all know how this works - it happens every year right around the holidays. These meetings are kept very quiet and made very inconvient for anyone to attend. And ever so quietly, while we complain about D46 - D127 is having their meetings to raise our taxes. We need to get to the source of the loop hole that allows the schools to do this every year. They need to be made more accountable for how they spend our money. They work for us!
WorriedParent
3:14 pm on Tuesday, November 27, 2012
Totally agree! Elections are next April I believe, and Ray, Keith, Karen and Michael's seats are all up for election. They will lose my vote if they vote for this tax levy and cave with the teachers strike. Oh, and don't think the "4" won't renew Ellen contract before all this and probably another salary increase on top of that. We need new people, people who are there for the right reasons and not playing these type of games and only representing themselves.
The Schools Ate My Money
3:23 pm on Tuesday, November 27, 2012
You all know how this works - very quietly at the end of the year, the schools have these meetings to raise our taxes. They think people are too busy to notice and while we complain about d46 - d127 is quietly having their meetings to raise our taxes too. It's a double whammy! We need to find out how as citizens we can get this loophole closed so the schools can not do this at the end of every year. It's the easy way out for them without any accountability to raise our property taxes.
Local
5:34 pm on Tuesday, November 27, 2012
It's high time for the taxpayers to "STRIKE"!!!
Scooby Doo
7:14 pm on Tuesday, November 27, 2012
Folks. You're now paying 4% of your house value in taxes. You're getting the shaft. Move away.
Paula Casey
8:42 pm on Tuesday, November 27, 2012
It seems to me, the board is being very short sighted. By continuing to raise our taxes they are forcing businesses and homeowners out of Grayslake. Many people won't even look in Grayslake because of the taxes. This is simple math, people moving out, no one moving in equals a big tax decrease for the schools. No one wins.
The district should be very happy they are getting what they are. Our houses are not selling for what they are accessed at. The district should be getting a lot less than it does already.
I've been to a couple of board meetings and it seemed like a joke. Two of the members sat there rolling their eyes when people were commenting. Then I was told the members don't have to respond to comments from the public! The people might as well have been talking to the wall, which would have done as much good, the board did just as they pleased anyway.
I (and everyone else it seems) want to know where the money is going. District 46 pays more per child than almost every other district in Lake Co. I am tired of hearing that they will have to cut the children's school day, music, arts... These are just as important as the basics. Having time for the arts sparks children's interest, imagination and learning. The answer is not in cutting teachers. Cut the administrators and their salaries if they can't get the job done on that big of a budget. The board needs to work within their budget, we all do.
Nightcrawler
9:40 pm on Tuesday, November 27, 2012
"District 46 pays more per child than almost every other district in Lake Co." Please substantiate with actual figures and sources.
HAL E BERGER
9:33 pm on Tuesday, November 27, 2012
Paula - not responding to public comments is normal for every board anywhere -- they can't have a public discourse because no one board member holds any more power than another so for any one to comment for the whole board is just something that can't happen.
Now that is not to say the eye rolling and low level board negative actions to a comment from the public are correct. they are not, they are disrespectful regardless how silly and uninformed a public comment can get. It just is a citizen trying to say what they think is best. Not being on a board they don't always know the rules or the game.
When these types of disrespectful things happen, eye rolling, and badly scheduled meetings to avoid the light of day, you already know it is time to start thinking about electing new board members who might just remember that before they were board members they were part of this community and that when they leave the board they will be again. The reason I woulld not run for a second term is because this power thing seems to happen to most people who are on a board too long. Many long term board members stop respecting the community that put them there and start to feel they are so on top of it they know better than anyone else what to do next. So many just forget the oath of office that they swore to uphold. When this happens it is time to replace them. You just wish they had the wisdom to just know their time is over and resign.
HAL E BERGER
9:36 pm on Tuesday, November 27, 2012
I am pleased to see more people use their real names and stand tall and publicly state what they feel and believe. Thank you for coming out of the shadows it makes the comments more heartfelt and honest and sends a clearer and better message to the board, regardless of your view, positive or negative, who I am certain is reading the Patch.
brian
10:26 pm on Tuesday, November 27, 2012
Paula and "Nightcrawler" - if in fact that is your real name, according to 2010 numbers from localschooldirectory.com, SD46 spent $9,463 per pupil, state average was $11,055. These numbers actually back us up better, as they beg the question, "Just where the hell is our money going if our children are getting just 85% of what the average Illinois student is getting!?!?" I'll sit down now and wait for your eye-roll.
Nightcrawler
5:58 am on Wednesday, November 28, 2012
Hey, Brian - I'm on your side. I called out Paula's statement because it's idiotic.
brian
7:51 am on Wednesday, November 28, 2012
Incorrect, not idiotic. To us Chumbalones in Grayslake, it feels like we're Number One.
Chuck Roberts
10:58 am on Wednesday, November 28, 2012
City Name Schools Students S:T Ratio Median Income
Antioch 10 5,035 15.7 $56,481
Beach Park 5 2,162 16.4 $56,553
Grayslake 16 5,713 13.3 $73,143
Gurnee 9 10,388 15.5 $75,742
Lake Bluff 4 951 30.7 $114,521
Lake Forest 15 4,082 12.2 $136,462
Lake Villa 11 4,070 15.6 $65,078
Lake Zurich 8 4,944 16.5 $84,125
Libertyville 14 5,543 15.4 $88,828
Lindenhurst 5 1,134 15.9 $74,841
Mundelein 17 7,303 15.2 $69,651
Round Lake 7 4,261 16.8 $58,051
Round Lake Beach 4 1,713 18.0 $59,359
Grayslake has more schools and administrators than 2 of our closest neighbors.
localschooldirectory.com
Chuck Roberts
11:33 am on Wednesday, November 28, 2012
How is this information collected?? I can't count the number of schools listed for Grayslake..
hotgossip
1:36 pm on Wednesday, November 28, 2012
Chuck,
Did you notice these numbers were from 2010? There are not 16 schools. They say there are 9 in K-8. They are including Park West and Park East as two schools, and they are saying that Prairieview and Early Ed are two schools. This is only one school (Park is one school, Prairieview is one school). Technically, there are only 6. It also says that there is only 13 kids per teacher and that there are only 280 teachers. According to the Union poll, there was at least 320. This is an old statistic.
Terri
1:41 pm on Wednesday, November 28, 2012
The press and the commentors like to think its all about Grayslake...it's not...it's Hainesville, Round Lake(s), Lake Villa, Third Lake, & Grayslake. The majority of the students in CCSD 46 come from communities other than Grayslake. That's why its proper name is Community Consolidated School District 46.
Angela Sykora
2:00 pm on Wednesday, November 28, 2012
Hi Terri. I don't think it's all about Grayslake, and I know it's not all about Grayslake, But technically I have been wrong referring to the district as Grayslake District 46. For future reference, I will refer to it simply as District 46 or by its full name. Thanks for your comment.
Terri
2:27 pm on Wednesday, November 28, 2012
Sorry Angela. Bob what's-his-name over at the Daily Herald pretty much told me to go pound sand when I brought this to his attention politely a couple years ago. That's no excuse for me lumping you all together. Want a good story? Investigate how the old Avon School District was doing back in 86 when Grayslake annexed them. They were thriving and healthy while Grayslake was in trouble. And don't forget to look at how Grayslake pillaged Avon's PTO.
Softball Jim
2:01 pm on Wednesday, November 28, 2012
Chuck, I can not understand what your data shows. What is the S:T information you are trying to show. If you need a list of the schools in D46 I can help you with that.
Avon
Meadowview
Woodview
Prairie View
Park School
Frederick School
and GMS.
Does not seem like too many schools to count.
Park is K-8
Frederick is 5-6
GMS is 7-8.
The rest of D46 schools are K-4.
hotgossip
2:28 pm on Wednesday, November 28, 2012
I meant to write 7, not 6 :)
Tara Strain
10:19 am on Thursday, November 29, 2012
RAISE THE RED FLAG! Historically the levy presentation has been in Nov. with the hearing in the 1st week of Dec. Why isn't that the case this year? Here is why: one board member who wants to increase your taxes (but ran on a platform that she wouldn't) Just left for vacation and won't be back until Dec. 16th. (hence the Early morning meeting- they wouldn't have had a quorum without her). Another member, planning to pull the wool over the taxpayers eyes, isn't going to be able to make the historically held meeting in the 1st week of Dec. Miraculously, they somehow all knew and maneuvered these meetings to accommodate their schedules to ensure the levy would pass. Don't be fooled by the snake oil, levy or not, this was a dirty & underhanded slide of hand. A red flag should most certainly be raised. As a taxpayer in this district, I am DISGUSTED!
HAL E BERGER
1:56 pm on Thursday, November 29, 2012
Here is what I don't understand, and by the way it is very underhanded and tainted to schedule meetings in this manner. Yet the bigger question is WHY? Do they intend to just cave in to the Union and pay up when they don't have the money at taxpayers expense again? Part of this board appears to lack strength and perhaps they are cowards!!! It is very hard to do the right thing and people will be angry with you but sometimes things get tough and you need to stand for what is right.
Simply put board members are unpaid, elected by the community, yet I am baffled; Could some of them really not understand the economics of today? Do they not understand that higher taxes puts more families and their homes and our community at risk in this tough time?
I am dumbfounded to think that anyone can't grasp or understand the long term impact on children that erosion of an absurd tax burden has on our community, and on our children? I ask who exactly are these people representing, who voted for them, and why exactly do we the people tolerate this? Folks it is time to stop, regroup, and elect a NEW board and go beyond that if that is where the source of the problem lies. This whole country has gone tax crazy, it is nonsense to believe we as a society can sustain all of this. I am saddened for our community, our state, and our country. It is just an insane time and elected officals are proving their failures to do the responsible things more each day.
Pete Gardner
11:33 am on Thursday, November 29, 2012
Forgive me Tara for trying to understand but may I ask a question? The vote for increasing the levy is historically done the 1st week of Dec.? The school board will vote on the levy at the meeting on Dec. 19th according to the article. Are you saying that 2 board members who are in favor of increasing the levy, which increases property taxes, won't be at the meeting at that is why the vote was moved? They moved a meeting to accodomodate a majority vote? What is happening? Where is the integrity? Where is the respect for the community? Where is the respect for those who they represent? My heart isn't just heavy anymore, its damn mad! Outrageous!
Terri
4:11 pm on Thursday, November 29, 2012
It may be that they represent the portion of our community that respect teachers and quality education. It may be that they aren't "caving", rather, doing what they feel is right and representative of their constituents. Mr Jorrudd was elected by a dozen write in votes. Does he represent the community? Or just the the dozen posting here? The tax impact, on average, is less than 55 cents a day per household (tax deductible) But it's okay to cut the salary of a random few teachers by $17 a day? I guess it's just a perspective
Jose Cuervo
2:50 pm on Thursday, November 29, 2012
Ray Millington, Karen Weinert, Keith Surroz, and Michael Carbone. They are the four board members whose term ends in April 2013. When they were elected in 2009, they ran UNOPPOSED.
They all need to be replaced. Will there be 4 people who are strong enough to run?
If I could I would but I have conflicts that eliminate me eligibility.
God help us all if there aren't 4 other people to choose from.
HAL E BERGER
5:31 pm on Thursday, November 29, 2012
Jose -- It would be nice if you used your real name --- There are very few reasons a person can't run for the board --- certainly you can see the result of unopposed candidates. I think it is bettter to have open debates like we did and more than a few people running for each seat.
-- I ran against several and was elected even though up front everyone knoew I was restricted from certain types of contractual voting.
-- Second reason a person can't run of course is because for some reason they are not a qualified as a Grayslake or school district area resident.
Here is a cheap idea, so don't run, but start encouraging everyone you know to start calling their board members and showing up at Board meetings and speaking out with your views at the public commentary.
Terri
6:42 pm on Thursday, November 29, 2012
Why are names so important to you. I'd run, but I changed my name and seem to be guilty of the felonious activity of teacher support. Oh, wait...
Tara Strain
9:57 pm on Thursday, November 29, 2012
If the teachers were respected & represented, there wouldn't be such huge discrrpencies in income for two teachers with similar qualifications. If their leaders (administrators) respected & represented them, they'd freeze their own 6 figure incomes to ensure the teachers were getting what they need. They'd forego their cell phone and gas reimbursement to provide a teacher with supplies for a classroom. They wouldn't hold impromptu meetings to pass a vote for $10,000 honorariums (it's not a bonus, it's an honorarium???) prove to the taxpayer that you can appropriately manage the funds you already have, and the taxpayer support will follow. As long as the mismanagement of budgets & funds continues, the lack of taxpayer respect will follow. And yes Pete, you read my above post correctly.
Terri
6:18 am on Friday, November 30, 2012
Excellent points; however, I would take issue with the first. The only way 2 teachers with the same qualifications could differ in salary is practical work experience. If a teacher has been with the district long enough to survive the far lower than average starting salary deserves a better salary later in their career. Good business practice in the private sector; why not here?
HM
6:58 am on Friday, November 30, 2012
I disagree Terri - in the private sector, superior performers leap ahead of their average counterparts quite rapidly. If there are 2 employees with the same qualifications, the reward discrepancies are generally diminished realtively fast (within a couple of years). High achievers get rewarded based on their acheivements, not based on years of service. Do a good job, show visible results, and move ahead. This does not happen in education. Teachers/unions are afraid of meaningful evaluations. And the reality is this - when an administrator is in the classroom "evaluating" a teacher, that teacher rarely performs the way they would without the evaluator in the room. Education needs to fine a meaningful way to evaluate their employees, and reward the acheivers, and cut the dead weight. Instead, to the chagrin of the students, all teachers are treated equally - all rewarded the same, regardless of performance. No Terri - that is not how the private sector operates. Since you are not a teacher, as you claim not to be, and you work in the private sector, you should know this.
Terri
7:33 am on Friday, November 30, 2012
I respectfully disagree. The assumption that teachers perform differently when being evaluated is totally subjective and baseless...unless of course you had some data. "You did great when I was watching you, but you slacked off when no one was around." If a tree falls in the woods when no one is there, does it make a sound?
I couldn't agree more that teachers should be subject to authentic assessment. Proposals would have that be test scores which would be anything but authentic. Any ideas?
Absent that, the system we have works relatively well. I don't think the disparity is that dramatic anyway and years of quality service should absolutely be considered a "qualification". As for "dead weight", every industry has it. There is a system in place to deal with it, and it is often successfully deployed; however, quite often administration is not willing to do what they need to do because it means work.
Benjamin Dover
7:46 am on Friday, November 30, 2012
Terri...if I understand your position correctly...if you have a good or above average teacher and a truly outstanding teacher who both have the same qualifications, same degree of education and pracital work experience - they should be compensated equally?
Terri
8:18 am on Friday, November 30, 2012
No. But absent an authentic assessment process, how do you differentiate? If you look at the history of tenure, you'll find that it was put in place to eliminate inappropriate subjective assessment and hiring practice. If the mayor wanted to replace a successful, career teacher with his wife or daughter, he simply fired one and hired the other.
Don't forget...there's an efficient process to eliminate non-performers. The administration has to step up and employ it.
I have been in high level, private sector positions for 40 years. I can't think of one where loyal, skilled employees weren't recognized for their commitment.
Benjamin Dover
8:39 am on Friday, November 30, 2012
Terri...I'm not talking about poor performers or the 1800's when the mayor could do such things...I'm talking about right now - 1 good teacher and 1 truly outstanding teacher. You say there is currently no way to differentiate because there is not an "authentic assessment process". Is that correct? And if so, why do you think there isn't one - because the teachers don't want it or because the taxpayers don't want it?
Terri
9:27 am on Friday, November 30, 2012
Bendover
There actually is one, its just not used for compensation. The only way a teacher can get a "Superior" rating is through authentic assessment; but it voluntary. All other teachers are evaluated more traditionally.
As a taxpayer, I'd welcome the implementation of AA. Not certain it would save us money, but it would certainly be effective. I think if you asked teachers, they'd agree.
HAL E BERGER
10:07 pm on Thursday, November 29, 2012
That is a fair question why are names important to me?
Because people who do not use their names can make any argument, from any position but will never get a vote. Using this forum to basically not have to take responsibility for their comments won't change any point of view the board has. Simply put each NO NAME is meaningless and can just vanish. On the other hand people who are out in the open are more likely to parse their words more carefully and will come out in public to defend their positions. At any decision making forum the shadows who won't come forward may make a lot of noise but have little actual say or impact on anything because they are just that shadows.
When I was a board member I had more respect for the person who agreed or disagreed with me that was willing to tell me to my face rather than hide in the shadows as a few are doing here by not using a real name. I did listen to those who came forward.
We had a newspaper article much like this a few years ago & as a board we would enjoy the critiques but that's it. We felt that we might actually better understand & respect their views even if we didn't agree with some of them if they just came forward and made a reasonable argument.
Some parents can't afford what D46 is trying to do & may be afraid someone will take it out on their children. My view, if you don't come out of the shadows and stand tall nothing will change because this banter without bringing it to reality will go no where.
Terri
6:21 am on Friday, November 30, 2012
Respectfully disagree. My position would not change one iota. What's in a name? That which we call a rose...
HAL E BERGER
8:53 am on Friday, November 30, 2012
That is a lot of nonsense -- please accept my kinder word I wanted to use something much stronger but it isn't appropriate. -- a shadow is a shadow and we have no clue who you are or how your opinions might be biased, change, or not change.
Do you trust the internet and unkown sources? -- I DON'T and no one should.
Terri
9:31 am on Friday, November 30, 2012
Well, Sir...that's your opinion and you're certainly entitled to it. Decision makers know my last name...I communicate with reasonable people on both sides of the aisle face-to-face on a regular basis. You're just obsessed with matters that are insignificant (my last name as well as others) which quite frankly, clouds your credibility. But that's my opinion and I'm entitled to it.
Tara Strain
10:03 pm on Sunday, December 2, 2012
Terri's a teacher.
Terri
8:07 am on Monday, December 3, 2012
Tara
As I've stated many times before, I am not a teacher. I have been in high level private sector work for over 40 years. I am not staff or union. I simply have a strong teacher supportive point of view.
HAL E BERGER
9:31 am on Monday, December 3, 2012
Many remain shadows. Shadows are like what my internet savey friends call the internet trolls. They have a lot to say, they get into the middle of arguments, but generally no one can identify who they are or if they aree even credible.
Terri
9:52 am on Monday, December 3, 2012
obsessive [əbˈsɛsɪv]
adj
1. (Psychiatry) Psychiatry motivated by a persistent overriding idea or impulse, often associated with anxiety and mental illness
2. continually preoccupied with a particular activity, person, or thing
n
1. (Psychiatry) Psychiatry a person subject to obsession
2. a person who is continually preoccupied with a particular activity, person, or thing
obsessively adv
obsessiveness n
HAL E BERGER
10:47 am on Monday, December 3, 2012
Point made -- no one mentioned a name ---