District 46 Pulls Agenda Item On E-mail Release Request
Board president Ray Millington removed a public discussion of e-mails involved in litigation from Wednesday's meeting agenda.
An updated agenda presented at Wednesday’s District 46 board meeting included an item under “Unfinished Business” calling for public discussion and a vote on a request to release controversial e-mails at the center of an investigation into alleged ethics violations committed during the spring elections.
No such discussion would be had.
At the start of the meeting, board president Ray Millington made a motion to strike the item from the agenda and move to closed session, which ultimately went on for nearly two hours.
“We’re not going to discuss it (publicly) because of pending litigation,” Millington told fellow board member Michael Carbone, who wanted the item left on the agenda for discussion.
Carbone then criticized Millington for removing the agenda item “at the last minute.”
“Board members have been asking about this since June,” said Carbone, referring to a determination by Illinois Attorney General Lisa Madigan’s office that District 46 could not withhold certain e-mails that had been requested in April by resident Lennie Jarratt through the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA).
As board member Sue Facklam tried to interject, Carbone sniped, “Sue, you should not have discussion about this at all because you’re involved in this. Your name is all over these e-mails. You should recuse yourself.”
Jarratt, chairman of the Lake County Tea Party, said he launched his investigation due to concerns that district employees and board members were using school resources to campaign during the spring 2011 elections. Alleging ethics violations, Jarratt used the Freedom of Information Act to acquire copies of such correspondence.
This includes e-mails from former board president Mary Garcia sent from her work e-mail at Northbrook/Glenview District 30 and e-mails from Facklam that allude to her efforts to give gift cards to 18 year-olds who would register to vote for her.
Frustrated that District 30 had released 87 pages of FOIA’d documents while District 46 released just eight, Jarratt filed a formal complaint on Sept. 27 with the Lake County Circuit Court. He is seeking an injunction to force District 46 to comply with the Freedom of Information Act and release the requested documents. The district has 30 days from Oct. 1 to respond to the summons.
Jarratt, who was not present at Wednesday’s board meeting, told Patch.com he feels the district is trying to hide something because it has essentially ignored the Illinois Attorney General’s determination for months.
The board has agreed to a private investigation of the alleged ethics violations and appointed former Circuit Court Judge Henry Tonigan to lead it. However, Jarratt said Tonigan cannot proceed with without having access to all the e-mail documents in question.
On Wednesday, Carbone asked Millington what he intended to do as board president to rectify the matter. Millington said further consultation with counsel was necessary because he was only served the court summons Saturday.
Another lively discussion the board had upon returning from closed session concerned the district seeking RFP’s (Request for Proposal) from various attorneys to determine if there could be cost savings.
The district’s attorney for the past several years has been Kevin Gordon, of Chicago-based firm Scariano, Himes and Petrarca, but board member Shannon Smigielski suggested it would cost the district nothing and do no harm to seek bids from other firms wanting to compete for their business.
With contract negotiations coming in the near future, Facklam said she’d rather keep the district’s current counsel.
Outgoing business manager Todd Covault, who has accepted another position after only two months with District 46, advised that with the current issues at hand, it may be wise to keep Gordon’s firm rather than have another one play catch up.
“If we don’t ask, we won’t know,” said Smigielski, who suggested any savings be used to fund the needs of the students, such as new sports equipment.
“Sometimes it’s good to get new blood in,” said Carbone. "It’s not a bad thing.”
Softball Jim
6:18 am on Thursday, October 6, 2011
Did anyone catch what the attorneys fees were last year? I did about 48k. So far this year they said it was 99+k. 50k more this year already and the year is not even close to being done. That would buy alot os sports equipment and books, wouldn't Shannon& Mike.
Lennie Jarratt
7:03 am on Thursday, October 6, 2011
Question: Why has the district chosen at nearly every turn to defy the AG and the law to keep making the costs go higher? Why did Superintendent Correll tell Ed Towle last year to lie (reported by the Daily Herald) so that this year he is suing the district as well? This district continues to make very costly decisions that take money away from the children.
It's very convenient that there was no discussion on the D30 emails last night. When was it discussed? Was it a unilateral decision by Ray Millington? or Correll? or in closed session or email violating the Open Meetings Act?
BTW, like stated yesterday, the injunction is because of D46 not turning over emails, not the emails from D46 so the litigation excuse is just that, an excuse.
More info: http://lakecountyteaparty.com/2011/09/10/d46-faq/
Softball Jim
8:34 am on Thursday, October 6, 2011
Lennie,
Maybe if there was not new pending litigation against D46 they would have discussed and moved forward with the e-mails. But now it has to move to closed session to be discussed. Here is what the agenda clearly states:
To consider information
regarding appointment, employment, compensation, discipline, performance or
dismissal of specific employees of the district… and 5 ILCS 120/2(c)(11) when an
action against, affecting, or on behalf of the particular public body has been filed and is pending in a court or tribunal, or when the public body finds that such an action is probable or imminent, in which case the basis for the finding shall be recorded and entered in the minutes of the closed meeting.
I was not able to attend the meeting, but I did watch it online as wit was going on. I can honestly say I am disgusted by the childish actions of Mike and Shannon. It is an embarrasment. Sorry Lennie, do you honestly think an additional 50K in legal fees are doing the "Children" any justice?
Sully
6:18 am on Thursday, October 6, 2011
No Lennie, I do not condone the board's action on this item. I am not defending them, so don't start with any of the bs about we're trying to defend the board and perpetuate some cover-up. That is not the issue. I don't even disagree with Shannon's position of looking for a different law firm. I don't disagree with an investigation (never have). I disagree with your motives and methods. Your vendetta against the district began long before the election. You got lucky with this one. What's next though? I wonder.
By the way, Len, you may want to keep an eye on Shannon. She bought breakfast for the staff of one of the schools yesterday. I wonder who paid for that? Better check to make sure the tax payers didn't.
Lennie Jarratt
7:57 am on Thursday, October 6, 2011
Still waiting to see you at a board meeting to stop the cover up.
Brad Faxton
10:17 am on Thursday, October 6, 2011
Still waiting for you to provide your FIEN.
LMJ
6:30 am on Thursday, October 6, 2011
I believe that from the last open meeting at the district office, they were going to discuss giving Judge Tonigan the un-redacted emails. (View the tape) That had nothing to do with the pending case. Why couldn't they talk and vote about that?
This whole thing has been one big delay, after delay, after delay. Did the present council for the district give the district the advice to do this? Or was it his job to give the board options and they choose? Whoever it was, it was a bad choice. Never the less, it is and always has been THEIR choice, no one else, to not comply with the Attorney General's findings.
One other thing that has not been mentioned here, is that District 46 viewed and redacted all of District 30's FOIA'd emails and sent them on to Lennie. At the least, (and I do mean at least because we know the the district has much more to release due to the conversations and has been handed over to Judge Tonigan) these copied emails should have been handed over.
Brad Faxton
7:15 am on Thursday, October 6, 2011
You two need to calm down just a bit. This is a nothing story, on a nothing website, with nobody watching or even caring. National news? Hardly. There are far too many other school districts who have FAR greater problems that you will ever know. Just because you got cheesed off a few years ago doesn't give you the right to bully and retaliate.
Please - enough is enough.
Emerson
7:37 am on Thursday, October 6, 2011
Really Karen?! The public is not stupid! Yea Carbone!!
Sully
7:42 am on Thursday, October 6, 2011
Who's Karen?
Brad Faxton
8:08 am on Thursday, October 6, 2011
Uhh, no.
Nightcrawler
8:23 am on Thursday, October 6, 2011
I'm Karen. Who are you?
District46
8:04 am on Thursday, October 6, 2011
I have a question. Some time back, Michael Carbone was involved in what was termed illegal actions towards the school district. What became of that. Why is he still on the board. Where is that investigation? Calls have been made to the states attorney's office apparently on this by residents of Grayslake. Why has this not been addressed? This is just as serious as the FOIAs in many people's minds. If someone can answer these questions, it would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.
Softball Jim
8:28 am on Thursday, October 6, 2011
District46, What actions are you talking about? The censure or something different? Just asking, incase I missed something from along time ago. Thanks
Emerson
8:06 am on Thursday, October 6, 2011
Brad Faxton ,I believe.
Brad Faxton
8:08 am on Thursday, October 6, 2011
Uhhh, no.
Brad Faxton
8:38 am on Thursday, October 6, 2011
Eric67 I use my real name clearly, you don't. I boil f*ing chickens (in case you haven't heard) & I am totally and completely nutz (according to many), am a super duper geeky computer nerd, have 3 kids in D46 and have been living in GL for over 15yrs. I love to pay the right amount of property tax (not enough right now) and wholly believe that the leaders at D46 (with the exception of a very small few) are awesome.
I want to take long walks on the beach holding hands with Sully and 3rd person Homer (no - not in the homosexual way, in the guy-guy way.). My school teacher idol is Sue Sylvester and I would best describe myself as one who is very sarcastic, witty, charming and smells real nice. I love quoting movies from the 80s - so, looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue.
GoD46
6:18 pm on Monday, October 10, 2011
Brad is crackin' me up!
Runner1
10:12 am on Thursday, October 6, 2011
You think that D46's legal bills are outrageous - how about Prairie Crossing Charter School - they're bragging that they spent $18,000 in the past couple of months in an effort to block FOIA requests from their HOST DISTRICT, Woodland 50. Unsuccessfully, I might add. How is THIS a good use of taxpayer resources? Someone in the Lake County Tea Party should investigate Prairie Crossing's use of tax dollars...especially because the taxpayers don't even elect their board - it's "self-appointed" - board members choose their own successors! Talk about a cluster.....at nearly $10,000 in tax dollars from you and yours truly for EACH STUDENT......
Brad Faxton
10:17 am on Thursday, October 6, 2011
Charter schools are a total waste of $.
LMJ
11:55 am on Thursday, October 6, 2011
http://illinoispolicy.org/news/article.asp?ArticleSource=4436&utm_source=Illinois+Policy+Institute&utm_campaign=83f5df829d-Oct+6%2C+2011+E-letter&utm_medium=email#.To3bPwyKEhc.facebook
Softball Jim
5:27 pm on Thursday, October 6, 2011
Lisa, Just read the link to Illionis Policy Institute. Interesting to say the least. However, there is something that just does not sit right with me. The links clearly states that CPS must accept and attempt to educate anyone who shows up at the door. The Charter schools get to choose who they accept into thier class rooms. So do you think they are going to choose the best and brightest? and please don't assume I mean income, as we all know, being rich does not make you smart ! What is the average class room size in CPS and thier Charter schools. I know Prairie Crossing does not have 25-30 in a class room, like D46 does. More one on one time for the students makes better students. I believe, Charter schools breed in-equality in education. Those students who are deemed to be brighter get accepted into smaller classrooms, and that translates into more student/teacher time. Then because the money is diverted from public schools, there is not enough money to properly staff, and educate the "not as bright" students, and class rooms size increases, thus the student/teacher time goes down ! Seems unfair to me.
LMJ
5:47 pm on Thursday, October 6, 2011
You want to talk about charter schools, how about school choice? Fine. Lennie is available at most school board meetings. Or you can email him.
Let's get back on topic.
Why is D46, at the least, not releasing the emails that the district looked at from District 30 and redacted already? Why just the eight? Why are you making excuses for them, Brad? Who are you in the district or who do you know that you can speak for them?
Softball Jim
6:05 pm on Thursday, October 6, 2011
Sorry Lisa, you gave the link, I made a statement. Do you agree or disagree with that statement?
2nd, Maybe, Just Maybe, the reason they are not released is because of PENDING/ONGOING, litigation/investigations. Nobody, in thier right mind would release any information regarding pending litigation, prior to having to go to court or in front of a judge. Nobody ever does.... No matter how much you push they will not release the information until, they determine it is the right time to do so. No lawyer is going to advise thier client to release "evidence" that may incriminate them.
LMJ
7:52 pm on Thursday, October 6, 2011
"No lawyer is going to advise thier client to release "evidence" that may incriminate them."
Exactly! Now you have it!
Softball Jim
8:17 pm on Thursday, October 6, 2011
Yes Lisa, I do have it. I have always understood that. What you and Lennie have failed to see, is that the D46 board is following the advise of thier lawyers and only handing over what they need to hand over to the investigator. The investigation should take a priority over, giving you the e-mails. As you believe, that the e-mails hold the key to this whole thing, they should go to the investigator, first and foremost. Not to you, Not to me, Not to anyone until the investigation is over. If you have information that this is not the case I would love to know where your source of information is comming from. This way it gets handled where is should be, not in the court of public opinion. Let the investigation take place, and let the chips fall where they will. If the investigator says " Your an Idiot and have violated the Ethics of D46" then that is what he finds. If, the investigator says "Nope no violation here" will you let it go and leave D46 alone ?
Softball Jim
8:25 pm on Thursday, October 6, 2011
Oh and just to be clear, I was not calling you an Idiot. The quotes were to make it seem as if the investigator was talking to the school board member in question. Not you personally
Lennie Jarratt
8:35 pm on Thursday, October 6, 2011
@Softball Jim, you are either not reading the articles or intentionally misleading in your comment. I'll assume the prior for now.
First, the investigator does not have the emails either. The district has refused to give them to him.
Second the AG told the district to hand over the emails to me. When, they did not, I called the AG, They told me my next course of action was court. I gave the district several more opportunities to turn them over to me or the investigator. They have refused still, thus the lawsuit.
Lastly, I have stated many times for this to be over, there has to be a complete and thorough investigation of ALL the evidence. If wrong doing found (which there has been already), the case is to be given to the SA to determine if there were any criminal violations. I will be done at that point and the SA will determine when it's over. I have stated that many times here and to the board. Yet the district continues to cover something up. Why? How much is the cover-up costing the district?
Softball Jim
9:13 pm on Thursday, October 6, 2011
Lennie, I am not being misleading. My point is that maybe, just maybe they are pealing the A.G. ruling. Maybe they believe they have complied with the ruling. Maybe just Maybe D30 released the emails because the confidentiality of those emails did not apply to D30. However they may apply to D46. Can't that be a possible reason not to release them to you? If D30 has already released 87 pages of email that was requested, shouldn't you have all you need already? If not and you believe there is more from D30 why are you not in court against D30? Let the investigator do his job. If he needs more information, let him seek the information. That is what he is there for. Don't try and influence the investigation, let him do his job. I have a huge problem with you contacting the investigator. It is in his hands, let him do his job.
Lennie Jarratt
9:25 pm on Thursday, October 6, 2011
lol @SJ, the investigator contacted me. It's kind of funny that when I do answer questions and provide info, you guys don't really want the answers. Interesting.
For more info see: http://lakecountyteaparty.com/2011/09/10/d46-faq/.
Runner1
10:39 am on Thursday, October 6, 2011
Maybe not all of them are, but Prairie Crossing Charter School - the name speaks for itself. It's really just a private school for the residents of the Prairie Crossing subdivision and a few of their friends. Most of the board members are residents of the Prairie Crossing subdivision, or their friends. But the funding for this school comes from ALL of us, not just from the residents of the Prairie Crossing subdivision. Look at their state-of-the-art school! Who's paying for THAT? Yup, you and me! Lake County Tea Party.....start investigating - $10,000 per student times over 400 students is a LOT of money!
LMJ
10:55 am on Thursday, October 6, 2011
Tell you what... Mark, why don't you FOIA it and get it to Lennie. He is a little busy on D46 right now. It's nice to see that you are interested in transparency as well. He is at most board meetings and it will be easy for you to get that information for him, as well as talking to him and asking questions.
LMJ
10:56 am on Thursday, October 6, 2011
By the way, Mark, do you know how much money per student is spent on each student in Grayslake?
Sully
11:21 am on Thursday, October 6, 2011
By the way, Lisa, is that question relevant?
I'd still like to know just how much you think should be spent on students. A nickel? Maybe a dime? What?
LMJ
12:04 pm on Thursday, October 6, 2011
You didn't really answer the question now, did you Sully? Why is that?
It is very relevant, since we are getting off topic and talking about how much is spent on each student. So tell us, Sully, since you are so intricately intertwined with the district. How much is spent per child in D46?
Runner1
11:40 am on Thursday, October 6, 2011
@LMJ - the $10,000 figure, according to ISBE, was the average cost (including fixed costs) to educate each student in Woodland Dist 50 in the 2010 2011 school year. This amount is taken from Woodland's general state aid, and diverted to Prairie Crossing Charter School. Next year, the charter school will get the average cost for Woodland based upon their financial reports for 2011 2012. Look at Woodland's website - if Woodland doesn't get enough general state aid from the state next year, its possible that money will be taken from their special ed funding, or from their transportation funding instead, and given to the charter school.
Sully
12:39 pm on Thursday, October 6, 2011
That's becoming more and more common unfortunately. I would have nothing against charter schools if their costs didn't impact the funding of the public schools.
Sully
12:33 pm on Thursday, October 6, 2011
I don't know Lisa. Any amount spent on students is worth it, I'd say. So, where did you get your college degree and PH.D anyway? You're obviously an expert on educational philosophy, psychology, curriculum, policy, and research and development. I've been wondering, what is the correlation between MAP scores and ISATs and how does that translate into future school performance? When you did your longitudinal study on the impact of SES on test scores, and it's impact on future occupational success, what did you find?
LMJ
2:08 pm on Thursday, October 6, 2011
Hmmm... still not answering, Sully, except to say... there are NO limits. So, the amount per student is irrelevant, because it could a million dollars per student and it would be worth it. Of course you (and Brad) would pay it. Of course you two might be the only ones left in town, but that's all good, right?
Back to the subject of this post...
Here's something else that really didn't ever get mentioned on the Patch or the Herald. Server errors... according to Ellen and... is it Joe? the computer guy from D46, there were server errors during the time of the missing FOIA's. Why hasn't this ever been addressed?
It was told to Judge Tonigan, that the missing emails that he asked for, could not be given to him because there were server errors during that time period. In that meeting, Joe said that they were all there, they just had to be brought up a special way to access them.
I trust that Judge Tonigan's request was not dropped, so I am thinking that the district is doing everything in it's power to get them to him now. Matter of fact, he should have them now, since it has been quite a while since his request. That leads me to wonder why the board would have to vote on, the release of these un-redacted emails to him at all, as stated in the September 22 board meeting that 4 of the board members just couldn't attend, so as not to establish a quorum.
Please, feel free to view this meeting. http://ww2.d46.org/boe/boevideos/boevideo092211-2.asp
Softball Jim
12:47 pm on Thursday, October 6, 2011
There are 13 schools with tax rates above 3.0 in Lake County, two of them Grass Lake and Zion are above 4.0. Grayslake is 3.941 and Woodland is at 3.548. Woodland also has a bigger EAV and bigger taxbase (I.E. Gurnee Mills and Great America) So I do not see Grayslake being that far off and they are definately not the highest. When you drop down into Cook County our rates are not even close. You can have some as high as 10.0 and higher. Here is the link - http://www.cookcountyclerk.com/tsd/DocumentLibrary/2010%20Cook%20County%20Tax%20Rates%20Report.pdf I believe our education system gives a quality education and I will be glad to pay my share to educate my children.
Lennie Jarratt
12:49 pm on Thursday, October 6, 2011
Question: Why has the district chosen at nearly every turn to defy the AG and the law to keep making the costs go higher? Why did Superintendent Correll tell Ed Towle last year to lie (reported by the Daily Herald) so that this year he is suing the district as well? This district continues to make very costly decisions that take money away from the children.
Terri
3:33 pm on Thursday, October 6, 2011
Mr. Jarratt. I'm not certain they are ignoring the AG. It appears they are acting on advice of counsel and are still within the law. Someone who really cared would let that run it's course before filing frivolous lawsuits. As for Mr. Towle, it is not at all uncommon to reach severance agreements that require parties to say one thing to get another. It's expeditious. Maybe it's unethical, but the process was designed and mastered by the right.
Sully
12:57 pm on Thursday, October 6, 2011
What was the problem before the election? Before Correll got here? Why have you been going after the district since 2006?
Nightcrawler
2:04 pm on Thursday, October 6, 2011
Could you lay off Lennie's kids? Even if you knew his motivations, there's no call for dragging his kids into it.
Brad Faxton
2:15 pm on Thursday, October 6, 2011
Yer right....I was wrong - I profusely apologize. Here is a re-type with edits:
From what I have been able to gleen from his prior rants, he approached D46 and asked them if they would allow teach/read/instruct/lead..... The district said, "no" (paraphrased) and he/she went off on a 5 year revenge bullying tirade.
I'm now off to have KFC for lunch - I'm going to eat just the skin and dunk it in gravy. Just because I can.
Sully
3:01 pm on Thursday, October 6, 2011
Crawler- I didn't mention his kids. I just want to know, from Lennie, why he's been going after the district for as long as he has.
Terri
3:28 pm on Thursday, October 6, 2011
I think if you dig a little bit deeper and go back a little bit farther, you'll find the Jarratt's issues have never been about education; it's always been money. It started with a referendum. I believe they have always home-schooled since they moved here and when they asked to volunteer in the local classrooms, the schools indicated that they weren't interested. Kind of a fox-henhouse thing I guess. If it really were about education, I would think they'd have had some kids in the classrooms in an effort to have some basis for a real opinion. That not being important to them, it really just leaves one thing; money. Of course they can put lipstick on the pig by saying they really care.
Nightcrawler
3:28 pm on Thursday, October 6, 2011
Look, here's my point. Lennie's always talking about lies, untruths, mistatements, rumors, etc., often baselessly IMHO. But in this case, he's absolutely right. This is a rumor that, whether it were true or not, is unprovable and irrelevant to the discussion. So why pursue it?
Sully
1:13 pm on Thursday, October 6, 2011
Ooh, Brad. I forgot about your eating habits.
I've heard some of the same about Lennie's reasons, but I've never heard HIS answer.
Brad Faxton
1:46 pm on Thursday, October 6, 2011
Food is a pinch off topic, but on some random Saturday night, go to KFC and ask them for a bucket of chicken - keep the chicken - give you skin only.....
Oh.....
My.....
F. Flintstone
3:19 pm on Thursday, October 6, 2011
Brad Faxton should know the golfer's name is Brad FAXON. You need to correct your handle. By the way, where will we go when Patch folds? Lots of AOL money woes.
Brad Faxton
7:25 am on Friday, October 7, 2011
F Flinstone? As in Farnsworth Flintstone, of the Alabama Flintstones? And no, this is my name. I have been using it for nearly 47 years.
Emerson
3:24 pm on Thursday, October 6, 2011
Sorry, Mr, Faxton. LOL! Im still a bit suspicious.. It was all your fist bumping that confused me.
Brad Faxton
7:28 am on Friday, October 7, 2011
I'm a kid at heart - I keep things light, up beat and fun. To quote one of the greatest individuals who graced this planet, "If you live each day as if it was your last, someday you'll most certainly be right." -Steve Jobs
Tara Strain
5:46 pm on Thursday, October 6, 2011
Wow, nothing has changed in D46, how sad! For those that think throwing money at the problem is the way to fix it, I spend less than $1000 a year to homeschool both of my children and my daughter just tested in the 99th percentile for her age group (4th-5th grade)
Softball Jim
5:58 pm on Thursday, October 6, 2011
Good for you Tara, but you may want to re-adjust your numbers. You are not including all the other expences in your 1K a year. Don't forget your electric, gas, phone, mortgage, transportation and taxes in your figure. They are what D46 have to include so unless you compare apples to apples, don't throw around numbers. Also, since your two children get a whole lot of one on one time. Of course I would expect them to test higher. That would be commonsense. I have two children that are testing in the 90th percentile in public school, so does that make your home schooling better?
Lennie Jarratt
8:41 pm on Thursday, October 6, 2011
Tara and Softball Jim thank you providing prime examples of how parents need to be empowered the full freedom to choose how their children are educated. All children should have access to a quality education. Fund the child, not the bureaucracy and empower parents.
Brad Faxton
7:31 am on Friday, October 7, 2011
Life experiences? Social interaction? Oh, my - did you read my 5 (five) most recent experiences running into a gaggle of home schooling moms at the park? I have never seen such a dysfunctional group of awful kids in my entire life. Not just one parents kids, 10 parents kids on five separate occasions.
Home schooling is a HUGE mistake.
LMJ
8:23 am on Friday, October 7, 2011
Very typical. You can't (don't want to) stay on subject or debate civilly, so you have to attack personally. Keep it up, because people are becoming immune to these kind of harassing, bullying tactics and are starting to fight back. We have people come up to us a whole lot more lately, telling us to keep it up!
Terri
9:36 pm on Thursday, October 6, 2011
If Tara earned just the starting CCSD46 teacher salary for the fine job she's doing, that would be $18,000 per child. I think CCSD46 does a fine job for considerably less.
Sully
9:39 pm on Thursday, October 6, 2011
"lol @SJ, the investigator contacted me. It's kind of funny that when I do answer questions and provide info, you guys don't really want the answers. Interesting."
What's also interesting is we could say the same about you.