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UPDATED: District 46 Teacher Strike Two Weeks Away

The union strike date has been set for Wednesday, Jan. 16.

 

Update, Thursday, Jan. 3

District 46 union president Diane Elfering informed Patch that a session between the union and school board has been scheduled for Jan. 11.

"We are hopeful that we can avert the strike date of January 16th. We will meet all night if needed," said Elfering.

The school board will also host a second town hall meeting at 6 p.m. Jan. 9 at Grayslake Middle School. For more information related to negotiations, click here.

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The holidays are over. School has resumed. And the District 46 teacher strike date of Jan. 16 is two weeks away.

The school board and union presented their best and final offers at the last negotiating session on Nov. 28

The district has agreed to a two-year teacher contract, but is holding firm on instituting a salary freeze with no step or lane changes. However, the board has offered to give all certified staff who have not submitted a notice to retire a $1,000 stipend in year two, which would cost the district about $300,000.

Initially, the union proposed a 3 percent salary increase for both contract years.

Teachers now agree to continue working at their current 2011-12 salary schedule for next school year, but they want lane change compensation paid in February 2013, which would cost $200,000, and two salary steps scheduled for Sept. 2013 and March 2014, which would cost $750,000, according to the district.

The district has put out a call for applications for temporary substitute certified teachers and non-certified staff. Applications will be accepted through Jan. 15.

TELL US: Do you side with the school board or union? Take the poll and share your comments.

Parents—what are your plans if the strike date is upheld and the district provides no services?

  • Whose Final Offer Do You Agree With?

    (Voting has been closed for this question)
    • I agree with the school board's offer. The district cannot afford teacher raises.
        23 (56%)
    • I think the union's offer is reasonable and the teachers should receive an increase.
        18 (43%)
    Total votes: 41
  • Your vote will only count once. This is not a scientific poll. View Results Vote!
Related Topics: District 46, Grayslake District 46, Grayslake District 46 School Board, and Grayslake teacher strike

marilyn

6:52 am on Wednesday, January 2, 2013

It really IS all about the kids! Awesome. things would be much better without unions...just think of the money that would be freed up for schools to actually use for education. You know, education? the purpose of schools. Oh wait, education isn't the primary focus anymore. This is the kind of power grabbing that our leadership encourages and actually makes a politically friendly environment for.

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Tony

8:11 am on Wednesday, January 2, 2013

Doctors, Lawyers and MBA's don't have union representation.

Let the union lead the teachers into a strike.

If the teachers are truly committed to their profession and our children’s education, they will continue driving to work everyday, cross the lines and continue to teach.

Any teacher, who sides with the union, is not standing with the children.

Any teacher, who sides with the union, will always reach deeper and deeper into the pockets of the community.

Any teacher, who sides with the union, is a bargain basement educator.

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jeff jones

8:38 am on Wednesday, January 2, 2013

sounds like no one would let you in a union.ask the drs. and lawyer's not to raise their fees and see what they tell you.you seem to know all the answers about unions,why don't you home school your kids

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Tony

8:55 am on Wednesday, January 2, 2013

Why would I need a union?

Why would I want to ask Doctors and lawyers not to raise their fees? Why is this relevant?

What makes you think you have the right to offer me the choice of allowing a union to reach deeper and deeper into my pockets on an annual basis or homeschooling my children?

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Tony

8:57 am on Wednesday, January 2, 2013

Thats an example of the "entitlement mentality", isn't it Jeff?

Julie

8:23 am on Wednesday, January 2, 2013

wrong. The ABA, the AMA, and the AICPA are the functional equivalent of unions. They control professional standards and salaries/rates, and they control who gets to join. They take dues. And they join with state government to restrict who can practice each profession.

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Tony

8:29 am on Wednesday, January 2, 2013

You’re suggesting the American Bar Association, the American Institute of Certified Public Accountants and the American Medical Association belong in the same category and act the same as the teachers union? LOL…….

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HAL E BERGER

8:37 am on Wednesday, January 2, 2013

Wrong,----- by miles they are not in the same in any way to a public employee union. - they don't regulate time, money, income or career. what they do try to do is set professional standards and guidelines and although they may have a reegulatory impact on individual professionals I have not seen the AICPA, etc close whole groups with a strike.

HAL E BERGER

8:25 am on Wednesday, January 2, 2013

We all stand with the teachers but as public employees their payroll is limited to what we can afford. Perhaps not so many for uniions. BUT it takes 4 years to become certified and it takes 3 to 4 more to become a doctor or lawyer the level of professional training is not the same and neither are details of their work, it is a very bad comparison.

I have a great idea since some people talk a good game and sound like they don't care if their taxes go up and can afford to let D46 deficit spend and risk losing programs and ultimatety laying off teachers later to pay for a D46 deficit that will really impact CHILDREN!!! Remember them, the children, that is what the schools are for and rationing scarce dollars is the goal for them not the teachers.

It seems a few can afford to deficit spend perhaps you might be interested in doubling your tax bill or making a few really big gifts or contributions to your school district. BUT please leave my tax bill alone it is big enough already. We are one of the highest taxed districts in Illinois and it already hurts.

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Tony

8:33 am on Wednesday, January 2, 2013

Real teachers can and will cross the picket lines.

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Tony

8:39 am on Wednesday, January 2, 2013

Let the union lead the teachers into a strike.

Those who continue to work will be identified as those who truly support the children and the community.

Those who side with the union can try looking for work elsewhere.

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HAL E BERGER

11:45 am on Wednesday, January 2, 2013

In this economic time I concur -- those teachers who are there for the children will not go on strike and will teach and work to settle the differences as professionals and find a compromise or delay the strike until such time period that meets the test of financial reality.

I know a few people who are qualified, and experienced in the class room who would cross the picket line in a minute to get a job they were trained for as certified teachers. Each one from Grayslake, each one underemployed, each one needing and wanting to teach our children and just want the oppportunity ot show what they can do.

Pete Gardner

9:26 am on Wednesday, January 2, 2013

When I hear someone say they want to invest in education, I say, "Bravo!". We all do. There isn't a parent, person, or business who doesn't support the best education we all can afford. But that is the key phrase here: we ALL can AFFORD.
We can only invest what we can afford to give. Everyone agrees that the teachers in the district do a fine job. But, this is not an area, because of the burden on the home-owners that can afford to give more right now. It is that simple.
I do not believe this article should be about taking sides but since that is how it is published, I will cast my vote: stand strong board. You did it once with voting to maintain the levy, do it again. The property taxes on homeowners and businesses can only support so much. Right now there isn't enough to support an increase.

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Pete Gardner

9:36 am on Wednesday, January 2, 2013

One more point, our military, our sons, daughters, husbands, wives, neighbors, who put themselves in harms way so that we all have the freedom to choose our own career path and have this conversation, haven't seen increases in 3 years.
Their retirement options are changing drastically. They deserve every penny they make and most do it without complaint regardless of how many pennies come in.
They accept that their job is not about money. It is about you, me, our children. Much like teachers say it is about our children. Yet you never hear of military going on strike to get more. If anyone deserves increases, it is our troops. But, like here, there isn't enough money to give them more. So they fight another day without. They protect without complaint. They spend months, years, away from families, without getting more. Not one will walk a picket line to get more. THAT'S a public employee!

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Nightcrawler

11:12 am on Wednesday, January 2, 2013

I believe your assertion that military personnel "haven't seen increases in 3 years" is incorrect. Meager, yes. Less than what the D46 teachers are asking, yes. But increases nonetheless.

http://www.navycs.com/2012-military-pay-chart.html

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Angela Sykora

11:05 am on Wednesday, January 2, 2013

Patch welcomes reader opinions, but please keep it civilized--no name calling or profanity, or comments will be deleted. Thank you.

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Ralf Landmesser

11:23 am on Wednesday, January 2, 2013

I still find it borderline comical that all the vitriol is centered at the easy target - the union. Why haven't any of you naysayers looked closer at the budget and focus on the salaries of administrators as well as those of the teachers. Open your eyes, it's not the teacher making $50K whose 4% raise is breaking the budget, but rather expenses in other areas of district spending which could easily be reigned in.

While we're at it, another question - Hey Patch, what is the salary, if any, of the school board?

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Angela Sykora

11:34 am on Wednesday, January 2, 2013

Hi Ralf. School board members are not paid.

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Tony

11:39 am on Wednesday, January 2, 2013

Keep in mind the topic of the article relates to a planned union strike against the children and the community as a whole.

If the topic of the article were related to Ellen Correll's contract and salary, all the vitriol would be centered around her and it.

I assume you find it a lot less comical now....

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HAL E BERGER

11:55 am on Wednesday, January 2, 2013

Nonsense this argument is about the strike --- Managers are paid for the responsibility of managing large numbers of people and putting themselves on the line personally to do so. Tenured teachers are not. No one would take administrative responsibility public or private sector without being paid reasonably for it. Correct this is about the strike and teachers compensation and the D46 financial reality.

Cats_Meow

11:47 am on Wednesday, January 2, 2013

It makes me nervous to have a school full of strangers to my kids. Very few faces they will recognize.

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Tony

11:58 am on Wednesday, January 2, 2013

Oh, I'm sure they'll be just fine Michelle. Just another step in the ladder of life.

I'd be a little more nervous about having to explain how all those recognizable faces refuse to teach them, unless mommy and daddy open the wallet up, again.

Karen Hord

11:50 am on Wednesday, January 2, 2013

A quick question that I have not seen addressed. What is the cost to the district of hiring temporary replacements? It takes time to process applications, do background checks, etc.

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Angela Sykora

12:12 pm on Wednesday, January 2, 2013

Hi Karen. This is what the superintendent told Patch in our original story about the district accepting sub applications: http://grayslake.patch.com/articles/d46-seeking-substitute-teachers-in-case-of-strike

Superintendent Ellen Correll told Patch, "The board has not determined the length it is willing to employ substitutes. A lot has to be determined and discussed with respect to where the money will come from and the cost."

WorriedParent

11:56 am on Wednesday, January 2, 2013

Substitutes would not get paid like the current teachers, and background checks are minimal. If the teachers strike they strike without pay, Granted, if no substitutes are hired and the kids miss school to eventually make it up at the end of the year, the teachers end up getting paid then. However, if the subs come in and teach the kids and there are no make up days, then teachers lose the salary permanently so there is no additional costs and we wouldn't be paying both.

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HAL E BERGER

8:03 pm on Wednesday, January 2, 2013

Actually my wife spent some time as a sub in D46 and the background and health check were substantial and perhaps close to, if not, the same.

Pete Gardner

2:35 pm on Wednesday, January 2, 2013

Mental midget? Angela isn't that a personal attack? Name calling is quite childish and when one resorts to it, their argument and credibility are less than zero in my book.
Night crawler, thank you for the link. I'm going to politely and respectfully disagree with those numbers though. My son, currently serving, second deployment, has not seen any increase. His combat pay is different than his stateside pay. But his stateside pay remained the same.
He also re-up'd recently and that bonus is gone. Between the changes in retirement, no financial incentive to make it a career, and little to no increases for most (even the meager ones that were given to some), they still go to work every single day. They do it short on supplies, away from their families, and like I've said, mostly without complaint.
The public opinion of soldiers used to be quite negative; through hard-work, little complaint, integrity, and honor, things changed.
Maybe it's time for some OJT (on the job training) in this area for the majority the majority of the public sector.

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Angela Sykora

3:53 pm on Wednesday, January 2, 2013

Name calling and personal attacks are not appropriate. Such comments will and have been deleted. Thank you.

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Nightcrawler

4:00 pm on Wednesday, January 2, 2013

Thanks for the note, Pete. Nice to see a respectful disagreement that actually is respectful. And kudos to your son. It's a good reminder that being thankful to "those who serve" deserves more than lip service.

Tony

9:02 am on Thursday, January 3, 2013

Pete,

Please thank your son for his service to our country. I also wish to thank you, your wife and your family for the sacrifices you have made while your son is away.

I hope you had an enjoyable Christmas. I wish your family and especially your son a happy, healthy and safe new year.

Best Regards,

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Pete Gardner

2:52 pm on Thursday, January 3, 2013

Tony, thank you for your generous words. I will share them. He is a good man and deserves a healthy and safe new year.
I want to make sure my message or comparison is not lost. The point is to try to have everyone see things from a different perspective. There are many out there, public sector too, who sacrifice daily. They do without proficiencies and privliges. They do because they choose to. Every person who works, regardless of their career choice, wants to be compensated for a job well done. It isn't about deserve. It's about AFFORD. The district can't spend more than they have. Even if they had raised taxes, there would not have been enough. I see this article has been updated and a meeting is scheduled. I hope the union doesn't take all night to understand that there isn't anything that can be AFFORDED at this time.
My sincerest regards to each of you who have participated in this conversation respectfully and with intent to seek information and understand.

HAL E BERGER

10:08 am on Thursday, January 3, 2013

A LITTLE RESPECTFUL MATH -- Let's say, and someone can be more specific if they wish, that teachers work 9 month per year or earn about 11.1% of their income each month, and if the teachers go on strike for let's say one month or perhaps just 2 weeks then they will npot be paid either 11.1% of their salary or 5.6% of their salary. It would seem too me that the teachers would want to do the math of this loss to gain a +/-2-3% raise. It might take 3 years to re-earn the loss. JUST SAYING !!!

MY VIEW;
- Teachers should not strike and take the best they can get in these bad tiimes.
- Come back and chase the 3% without losing income with a stirke in better economic times.
- Be there for the children and do what their calling placed them there for.
- Use a little common sense when reviewiing the D46 deficit and ask for things that meet what can be done.

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HAL E BERGER

10:19 am on Thursday, January 3, 2013

Perhaps the final result, if all else fails, is that the teachers and/or the district could decide to end the union contract in D46 and replace it with either your own individual contracts or an alternate union that is more sensitive to the community, the children, as well as the needs of teachers within the frame of reality.

I say it is time for someone to stand up in the teaching ranks and start working with the reality of a declining economy and say NO TO A STRIKE and negotiate the best that you can. Look at the books and face reality. Teachers need to look at the books not union reps. Teachers must go and confirm the realiity instead of being told what it isn't by union reps.

School board members have a thankless job and are unpaid and I am certain being an X-Board President that each wants to do the best that they can for everyone. However, that must be in view of the big picture and that goes beyond just the demands of the teachers. It may be true that perhaps one or two on the board may be more emotional and perhaps a bit short on reality themselves but that is why there are 7 board members representing the community, schools, and our children. I know it is frustrating but the D46 Board would be wise to continue NOT deficit spending in these uncertain times. Increased taxes are not an easy road to consider with declining property values and I don't expect that will happen any time soon & I don't want to see layoffs next year to pay for your strike.

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Charles Johnson

1:30 pm on Thursday, January 3, 2013

Hal, Good advice to the BOE in not committing to a contract that is not affordable or sustainable. D46 has seen a dramatic dropoff in General State Aid from $8.1 mil two years ago to $6.3 mil this year. That will only continue to slide as the legislature continues to prorate GSA. Looks like CPI will finish the year at around 1.8% so the levy growth won't do much to offset losses in state funding and a labor contract increase. Not to mention any incremental costs the district might have to absorb once the pension "fix" gets jammed down the local districts' throats. If they cave, you are right, they are either looking at layoffs with higher class sizes and/or running several years of deficits.
The IEA has been hard-line over the last year threatening and/or forcing several strikes, rather than settling for any concessions. Palatine 15 and D-300 BOE's caved and signed deals that were not affordable and will run deficits for years to come. The IEA is running the show right now. Its up to the BOE to make the right long-term decision for the District. Do they cave under pressure and doom the District to years of layoffs and deficits or do they hold the line in order to generate the best possible, and sustainable, educational future for the District?

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Pete Gardner

2:53 pm on Thursday, January 3, 2013

Charles and Hal, here, here! Hold the line.

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Angela Sykora

1:45 pm on Thursday, January 3, 2013

Editor's Note: This story has been updated. Patch has learned a negotiating session has been scheduled for Jan. 11.

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HAL E BERGER

2:55 pm on Thursday, January 3, 2013

My suggestion to the board and to the superintendent is to set plans in place to hire teachers to get the children educated and keep the classes open. I suggest the board, who are our neighbors and that lives with all of us do their job and not burden our community and D46 with deficit spending. It could be tough but stand tall.

Remember every administrator is a certified teacher who can maintain a classroom. There is also a fairly large list of active & inactive pre-screened subs & there are many retired certtified Grayslake teachers some of which might cross the picket line. Also two full size class days with larger temporary class sizes could be fit into each day if you cut out recess, gym, art, lunch, music and stick to the core key courses. No child needs to miss school or be short of education core classes. Serious teachers who have their prioities straight will teach. A temporary structure could be done with approximately less than half the staff for all of the children. There may also be ways to borrow screened subs from nearby distircts to keep classes open. If they coulld bring me, I spent years as an adult teacher as aides many of us could help. I'd adjust my schedule to try to help as much as I can. I think others with the ability and experience to teach could do so as well. I am not certified but I am U.S. Govt. screened. This strike to me is not reasonable and remember the union bosses won't lose one days pay if the teachers are on strike.

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HAL E BERGER

7:59 pm on Thursday, January 3, 2013

I'm not suggesting cutting lunch I am suggesting everything was the point. Splitting the day in two and having perhaps half day classes so the core courses don't have to be interupted.

These pages are limited in length or I might have explained my thoughts better.
Sorry -- I was not clear but my thought is to find way to keep our children learning. Admin and the board could split hairs over the terms.

Ralf Landmesser

4:14 pm on Thursday, January 3, 2013

Hal, do you have any kids? Cut out lunch? Great suggestion, not! Last time I checked, which was in the year 2013, my son's school doesn't gabber recess, swing and a miss. Nice to see that people who are so ready to beer rid of Rhett teachers have such a poor idea of what happens in a school day.

But I do love your suggestion of putting administrators to work in the classrooms. Especially since I was told in an earlier post that this wasn't about them. Funny,I thought that the budget was about the entire district's spending. But oh no, we must fight the good fight against the tyrannical evil of unions.

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Sew

4:26 pm on Thursday, January 3, 2013

Wow, so teachers shouldn't get raises! Hmmm. They pay close to 100,000 to become highly qualified teachers and yet they should be paid less than the private sector for doing one of the most important jobs around! Wow, people. This is why we need unions. Don't you dare say the district helps pay for the education. They might help up to a masters level, but not the 30+ credit hours after the masters level. Lets face it, it's not the teachers who are the problems NOR the unions. It's the state/federal funding of our educational system, As for the subs, I won't dare cross if they want to become teachers around here. I was told within one day of my employment of all the teachers who crossed in a dist. that went on strike 5 years before I started teaching. Solidarity is important.
As for taxes, we can't tax the public, why not cut administrators and write grants.

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common sense

9:41 pm on Thursday, January 3, 2013

A few points to consider...
We should be concerned about the charges for doctors, lawyers and MBA's (i.e. the businesses they work for) because they cost us money just as our property taxes cost us money. Do you tell your doctor when he/she raises their fee that they can't because you can't afford it? Or how about the highly paid computer engineers who work for Apple (resulting in the high cost of Apple products)? Of course not, you find another way to afford it. If we didn't have to pay such high prices for other services and for products, then it wouldn't hurt so much to pay property taxes. Bottom line - we need to be concerned with all costs and not just pick on one sector.

Just because our military personnel aren't given the increases they deserve, it doesn't follow to choose another sector and try to hold them down. Given that line of reasoning we'll all soon be back to the terrible labor practices of the early 19th century.

According to Wikipedia, in 2007 the average median income in Grayslake is $87,900 ($100,746 for a family of 4). According to the Illinois State Board of Education, in 2007 (to compare apples to apples as much as possible) the average teacher salary in District 46 was $51,613. Keep in mind that teachers must have a 4 year degree to start as a teacher; thereafter, the only way to advance is to earn a master’s degree. Of the average teacher salary, in 2007 almost 50% of the teachers included in that average had a master’s degree.

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Terri

11:36 am on Sunday, January 6, 2013

4 & 1/2 years...they have to to do 6 months pro-bono as a student teacher...

common sense

9:41 pm on Thursday, January 3, 2013

points to consider - part 2
It is not accurate that the district does not have money - the district has several million dollars (I've heard anywhere from $8 million to $26 million - we need to press the board to be open about the actual amount).

We need to be concerned about our property values decreasing if we don't strive to have a high-quality school district.

A more productive use of everyone's time would be to email their representatives - local to encourage them to work on bringing business to the community and state to encourage them to adequately fund our schools. This is the way to seek long-term solutions.

Teachers caring about students doesn't equate to teachers not having their own lives. They do care but they also have families and bills to pay.

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HAL E BERGER

10:12 pm on Thursday, January 3, 2013

I'm sorry some of your facts do not seem to meet the test of reality or the apples to apples comparison of 12 month career private sector employees. Your surplus really does need some serious review it is an untrained view of the whole annual public budget appears to have dolllars not spent that are already allocated even if they are not spent today they will soon be. Call the business manager and ask or go to one of the budget review meetings the board has held.

Using a 2007 income number is a serious distortion of reality and is before the 2008-9 market crash, unemployment crisis, and mortgage melt down -- how about using todays reality not yesterdays lost economy?

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Terri

11:38 am on Sunday, January 6, 2013

Teachers are paid for 190 days of work. There are no children in class to teach during the other days. It is not a nine month job. Quit trying to annualize it.

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HAL E BERGER

9:40 am on Tuesday, January 15, 2013

The issue isn't about the work week it is about monwey reality. But to your point --- Using a 5 day work week -- it actually calculates to a 9.5 month job -- private sector employees work 250 days per year or on average 50 weeks.

HAL E BERGER

10:14 pm on Thursday, January 3, 2013

Also wikipedia data is provided by anyone who wants to add something on the internet. Although interesting, it may not be a fact at all.

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common sense

11:37 pm on Thursday, January 3, 2013

You're right about Wikipedia. I went back and checked the U.S. Census and it shows Grayslake's median income as $95,067 (rather than the lower figure of $87,900 listed in Wikipedia).

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HM

7:51 am on Friday, January 4, 2013

Common Sense - that median figure is household income, which in many cases means there are two income earners. Also, the $51,613 average teacher salary is for 190 days worked. Most folks work 260 days, so the teachers average salary, if it adjusted to 260 days, would be $70,628, which is more than "average" for many single workers. I know many hard working, college educated folks who make much less than $70,628, and they are not able to hold their employers hostage for more money.

I am not anti-teacher, but I am a realist. Our home values have plummeted while our taxes continue to rise. Real incomes for everyone have declined. At some point, this house of cards we call our economy will collapse unless some very difficult choices are made. Everyone says cuts must be made, but no one wants those cuts to touch things they hold dear. Well, cuts must be made for all - we will all "suffer" a little now, or face more dire cirumstances later. Teachers included. Every homeowner in Grayslake suffers each year our property taxes rise. Our teachers are not underpaid, and they have not gone a year without a raise for decades. The time for shared sacrifice is now. If not now, when? If this union gets its way, how will all of you feel about teacher layoffs and increased class sizes? We can not have it all. Keep in mind that there is a very good liklihood that the district will soon have to cover the state's unfunded pensions - then what? We are already defecit spending.

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Terri

11:40 am on Sunday, January 6, 2013

Again...quit trying to annualize teacher pay. How do you know that that the census average doesn't include high paid part time jobs? Or teachers for that matter?

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WorriedParent

11:59 am on Sunday, January 6, 2013

I don't think they are trying to annualize it, just trying to make a comparison to the rest of the working US. If most people are not getting raises, why do the teachers think they are any different?

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Terri

8:59 am on Monday, January 7, 2013

WP...you need to re-read HM's post that I responded to. He/She attempts to annualize a teacher salary, then compare it to someone working 260 days. A teacher doesn't work 260 days and does not earn the sum HM rounds up.

Not everyone is going without raises. In fact, 3% is considered the "new normal". In 2012, increases were around 2.9% with union workers receiving less that non-union.

http://www.shrm.org/hrdisciplines/compensation/Articles/Pages/ConsistentPay.aspx

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Benjamin Dover

3:41 pm on Monday, January 7, 2013

Nice misquote Terri....The article you reference says nothing about 3% being the "new normal". In fact, according to the article, 3% has not not been the average in any of the last 4 years.

Here is the actual quote: “The growing use of variable pay, along with lower salary increases, represents the new normal in compensation practices for employers nationwide,”

None of the people who are so in favor of just caving in to the teachers' demands have yet to give one valid reason why they "deserve" a raise. Doubt you will either.

Now go paint your picket sign and get ready for next Monday.

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Benjamin Dover

8:12 am on Tuesday, January 8, 2013

There you go...now you are quoting the right article.

Now, to answer the questions you have always managed to side step....Why do all the D46 teachers deserve a raise?

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Terri

3:16 pm on Wednesday, January 9, 2013

Teachers' hefty salaries are driving up taxes, and they only work 9 or 10 months a year! It's time we put things in perspective and pay them for what they do - babysit! We can get that for minimum wage. That's right. Let's give them $3.00 an hour and only the hours they worked; not any of that silly planning time, or any time they spend before or after school. That would be $19.50 a day (7:45 to 3:00 PM with 45 min. off for lunch and plan-- that equals 6 1/2 hours). Each parent should pay $19.50 a day for these teachers to baby-sit their children. Now how many students do they teach in a day…maybe 30? So that's $19.50 x 30 = $585.00 a day. However, remember they only work 180 days a year!!! I am not going to pay them for any vacations. LET'S SEE…That's $585 X 180= $105,300 per year. (Hold on! My calculator needs new batteries).

(Hat Tip - Mike Schomer-via FaceBook)

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Benjamin Dover

4:22 pm on Wednesday, January 9, 2013

Just as I suspected....No valid reason for a 31st consecutive year with a pay raise.

And where ya gonna get the money? You never really answer that either.

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HAL E BERGER

4:39 pm on Wednesday, January 9, 2013

Terri that calculation was fun but is more rubbish and not relevant !!!

The argument is still simple, there is no money to give to the teachers without long term hurting D46 and the children. Deficit spending is not an option, and taxpayers are hurting. We can debate how much we love teachers, or what other jobs compare, or endlessly caclulate what we wish we could do, BUT SO WHAT?

We all appreciate the teachers, but again and again that isn't the issue, yoour compnnets are just one more obfuscation. This issue is about an absurd union strike that could cripple D46 for years to come. Folks it is about living within what we have not within what we wish we had and don't. A raise today simply means large class sizes and your associates will be cut tomorrow.

Another incorrect fact, student teaching actually is a part of most teachers 4 year degree. I have several family members that are teachers. I know there are many secret teachers on here trying to convince people to deficit spend. I'd love to give them a rasie but can't we just wait until D46 and the community can actually afford it.

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Terri

4:52 pm on Wednesday, January 9, 2013

First of all, no, student teaching is not part of the 4 year degree.
2nd, you sound like a broken record. There is money...always has been...and attempts to dispute that are also "rubbish".
Why is it we don't have a larger surplus? This is a bedroom community. There is no commercial contribution to speak of. When more revenue is needed, it is the responsibility of the taxpayers. We all knew that when we moved here.
Last, our per student expenditure is below average. Our teachers salaries are below average. Financial waste by the board is probably above average. It is not our teacher's responsibility to pay for those inadequacies; it's ours.
BTW...my turn to be a broken record...I am not teacher, staff, administration or union.

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LMJ

4:59 pm on Wednesday, January 9, 2013

Terri, and we have proof of that how? Because you say so, on the Patch? You could be a spouse and feel this all just as well. Look, you have a voice as well, fine, but don't misrepresent yourself. You honestly sound like Sully... but I don't really care who you are. Everyone has a say, just be up front with people.

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HM

5:20 pm on Wednesday, January 9, 2013

Terri - you can not be certified as a teacher in Illinois without completing student teaching. just FYI...http://www.academploy.com/cert/certil.htm

Please, please, please enlighten all of us as to where the money is in D46. Since you obviously know more than the district, and every business manager back to Brad Goldstein, I think you should tell us exactly what mattress that cash is stashed in. Then all of our problems will be solved.

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Terri

5:30 pm on Wednesday, January 9, 2013

HM...the budget has a reserve near $9 million.
I didn't say a teacher did not have to student teach. I said it takes time in addition to the 4 year curriculum. Not only are the teachers not paid to do this, but thet get to pay tuition for doing it.

Julie

8:28 am on Friday, January 4, 2013

The argument that teachers only work 9.5 months a year is old and tired. The work 50-70 hours a week for those months. The take home work is huge.

I am disgusted at most of the short sighted people who post here. Our children's education is the most important investment we make as a community. Not only does a good school system with well compensated teachers and fully funded programs create better future citizens of this country, it increases the worth of our homes.. Bad schools equals low home values. The education of my community's children is something I am willing to invest in, knowing that it pays dividends down the road.

The real problem is the way we fund schools, but for now it is what it is. We can't fix it today. We can only work within the system we have been given. Maybe if we all worked together to solve that problem we could stop blaming teachers. We need more business in Grayslake, to take the burden off of the home owners. We need to push our Villiage Trustees to find a way to solve that. But I can guarantee that a failing school system is not the way to attract business to our town.

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Benjamin Dover

8:53 am on Friday, January 4, 2013

Uh...Julie....Most salaried professionals work 50-70 hours per week, six or seven days a week, 52 weeks per year....your argument is old and tired.

Also, based on your statement, we have bad schools as my home is worth less now than it was 10 years ago.

I have yet to hear a solid argument why the teacher deserve a pay raise. A lot of people who "deserve" one aren't going to get one.

I have yet to hear a solid argument as why the teachers can not be replaced by others who would be thrilled to work in D46. Teachers who would be just as good, just as caring, just as well educated...but not as willing to hold the kids hostage for a pay raise.

Many of taxpayers who pay the salary of these teachers have not gotten a raise, some have taken pay cuts, some have lost their jobs...in other words times are tough. Are the teacher too good to share in the tough times of others? Are they somehow superior?

You say we should all work together to solve the problem...you mean everybody but the teachers...they should still get theirs right? You say you are willing to pay more so the teachers can have a pay raise for the 30th consecutive year...find some other likeminded folks and you guys can pay a little extra so they can have their 31st consecutive year with a pay raise.

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Nightcrawler

9:51 am on Friday, January 4, 2013

"Uh...Julie....Most salaried professionals work 50-70 hours per week, six or seven days a week, 52 weeks per year." Could you substantiate that, please?

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HM

10:20 am on Friday, January 4, 2013

nightcrawler - can't substantiate it for every teacher either. I lived with two parents who were teachers, and I taught for awhile myself. New teachers do work crazy hours at times, but the more experience, the less hours. There is a learning curve with every job. Teachers work at school for about 8 hours a day. If they don't get things done, with a planning period or two a day, plus time before and after school, there is indeed work to do at home. There are some projects that take a great deal of time to plan and grade, but those are not every day. 50 to 70 hours per week, every week during the school year is grossly overstated on the whole. I can't argue that there are some teachers who likely do put in those hours, but there are many, may people who also put in those hours in every segment of the work force. Teachers are not unique in that. Lets all be honest with this.

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Sandra Sims

10:25 am on Friday, January 4, 2013

@ Nightcrawler: http://www.familiesandwork.org/3w/research/downloads/3wes.pdf : The AVEAGE work week for men is now 48.2 hours, for women, 41.4. Meaning half the population work longer hours than that. Anecdotally, everyone I know who is in a salaried position gets calls in the morning before work hours, at night, and on the weekends. You're never really "off the clock". And may I remind everyone that teachers knew, or should have known, that while teaching requires advanced education, you are never going to get rich teaching. If they don't like it, they are free to take their degrees to the private sector.

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Nightcrawler

1:40 pm on Friday, January 4, 2013

HM - I never said anything about teachers' hours. Sandra - 48.2 and/or 41.4 are not even 50, and not close to 70. Again, "Most salaried professionals work 50-70 hours per week" is the pointless, unsupportable hyperbole I was referring to.

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Sandra Sims

4:24 pm on Friday, January 4, 2013

@Nightcrawler, I am aware that 48.2 is not 50-70. But it is very close to 50, and as I pointed out, it is an average. Those numbers are also from before the recession, so I would imagine avg hours have gone up as workers have to pick up the slack from all their laid off coworkers. Point being, Julie was the one pulling the number of 50-70 hours out of thin air, claiming that is the normal week for teachers. I would like to see her back up that claim. The other point being, if teachers feel so underpaid and underappreciated, no one is forcing them to stay in the profession. Let them take their advanced degree to the private sector. Except of course, there will be no union, no automatic pay raises, no tenure. 3 weeks vacation a year if they are lucky, and of course, no pension. Gee, wonder they they stay?

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HM

4:39 pm on Friday, January 4, 2013

Nightcrawler - Julie first mentioned the 50-70 hours above, and said that teachers work those hours. I agree with you - the majority of people do not work that many hours on a regular basis. You asked Mr. Dover to substantiate the hours - but he was replying to Julie. My response was simply that niether over-exaggeration is accurate. There are many hard working people in many professions. That is all I meant.

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Nightcrawler

5:18 pm on Friday, January 4, 2013

HM, Sandra - Point taken. I missed Julie's 50-70 claim, which I would also love to see substantiated. That said, my personal experience with teachers (father, sister, several cousins) is that they did/do put in a lot more time at home than most people I know. And none of them got into it "to get rich."

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Benjamin Dover

7:20 pm on Friday, January 4, 2013

Nightcrawler...you state: "That said, my personal experience with teachers (father, sister, several cousins) is that they did/do put in a lot more time at home than most people I know. And none of them got into it "to get rich."

You have nothing to substantiate that with yet you claim when I say other professionals work 50-70 hours per week that it is "pointless, unsupportable hyperbole". So you can make such statements but you criticize other for doing the same....hipocracy.

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Nightcrawler

8:22 pm on Friday, January 4, 2013

Hey Mr. Dover - What do you mean, I have nothing to substantiate my personal experience? My Dad taught English and drama at New Trier from the late 1950s–mid 1960s, and made around $12,000 with summer school. My sister taught special ed and kindergarten for about 40 years, mostly in the Portland public schools. I have 2 cousins who have taught elementary school for a comparable period of time in southeastern Washington (Longview, Castle Rock). None of them got rich. None left their work at the office. Do you need pay stubs or home movies?

Again, your claim that most - MOST - salaried professionals work 50-70 hours a week six or seven days a week, 52 weeks per year is unsupportable. If it's not, please support it.

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Benjamin Dover

11:53 pm on Friday, January 4, 2013

Nightcrawler..you still don't get it....Julie makes a wild statement that teachers work 50-70 hours a week, my statement just as wild...yet you choose to only pick on mine...wonder why that is. Oh yeah you "missed" that.

Now that we know there is no majority if any profession working 50-70 hours per week, I'll ask you the same questions Julie never answers to see if you will....Why do the teachers deserve a raise on the backs of the taxpayers, many of whom are not getting a raise, others taking a pay cut, and other losing their job...time are very tough in case you haven't noticed, why do they not have to share in the struggles the rest of us are going through?

By the way, according the Bureau of Labor CPI Inflation Calculator - $12k in 1960 is over $93k today, how did you guys ever survive.

HM

8:56 am on Friday, January 4, 2013

Julie - most people who work year round also put in lots of hours, and work weekends and at home, so it's really a wash in my eyes.

You are correct that the problem is how we fund schools. I am not blaming teachers. But we can not keep spending money we don't have. While your priority is schools, there are countless people in our community who have other priorities, and no one wants anything cut. However, at some point, we have to face reality, and that reality is not just in Grayslake, but in many communities in Illinois. How long can we spend what we don't have? What will the long term effects of this carelessness be? How much of this mess do you want to take care of now, and how much do you want to pass on to your children and grandchildren? If you let the union get whatever they demand, how will you feel about fewer teachers? Larger class sizes? Fewer extracurriculars? That is the reality of deficit spending now - cuts will get deeper and deeper, and homeowners will continue to get hit hard. Look around at home values. Houses that were worth over $300,000 are being sold on short sale for $175,000. It's rampant in Grayslake. People are hurting, losing their homes, and unable to afford the outrageous taxes. Is it better that folks lose their homes so teachers get their raises every year? How is this helping the community? What will we do when we have to pay the pensions because the state failed so miserably? Where does this end?

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Julie

10:02 am on Friday, January 4, 2013

Most people who work that many hours a week are compensated better than teachers for those hours. Most people with Masters degrees earn much higher salaries and have better benefits that teachers. (my husband and I included) You are only paying teachers for the hours they are in school. The extra time they spend is on their dime to make sure your kids get the best education they can provide.

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Benjamin Dover

12:29 pm on Friday, January 4, 2013

You say "Most people who work that many hours a week are compensated better than teachers for those hours"...Most people who work those hours don't get a week at Christmas, a week at Thanksgiving, a week spring break, President's Day, MLK day, etc., etc., etc. I get 1 day for Christmas, 1 day for Thanksgiving, no spring break, no President's Day, no MLK day, etc., etc., etc.

But again, you've given no reason why teachers deserve a pay increase when many taxpayers are not getting one and some even taking pay cuts or losing their jobs....do the teachers not have to share in the hard times felt by others???

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Terri

11:47 am on Sunday, January 6, 2013

There are no children in school to teach during a week at Christmas, a week at Thanksgiving, a week spring break, President's Day, MLK day, etc.
That's why they are paid to work ONLY the days that they have students to teach. They work many more anyway...just like the private sector

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Melissa

9:05 am on Tuesday, January 15, 2013

Benjamin - I don't understand why you are referencing education holidays in your argument. It doesn't validate your argument at all. Many of the holidays (i.e. Christmas and Spring break) are preceded by exams, reports and state testing etc. requiring work at night and on weekends to prepare. If you are referencing summer break then please let me bring to your attention that teachers aren't paid proportionally for the time in the summer as you are at your 40 hr week or so private sector job. Please lets keep our arguments valid and on point...MLK and President's Day are national holidays. If you feel this needs to change then please contact your local government but don't use that in your argument to valid a ridiculous point.

Ralf Landmesser

10:04 am on Friday, January 4, 2013

Nice to see the bias is still so strong. I guess Nightcrawler NEVER takes a vacation day. 52 weeks a year, wow! Good for you, maybe a union would get you a day off eery now and then. If everyone worked as hard as he did, we wouldn't even need teachers. Our kids could simply teach themselves. Please insert sarcasm liberally.

The trite teacher bashing is reflective of our society as a whole. We whine that America is slipping in technology, manufacturing, and almost all indicators for growth, while at the same time speak out against our teachers getting paid. We get what we pay for, and right now we aren't paying for education nearly as well as we should be.

I volunteer at my son's school once a week, and see the value he gets from quality teachers. If more of you put forth the effort to see what the teachers do, it wouldn't be as easy to discard them as over-payed trash.

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Nightcrawler

10:14 am on Friday, January 4, 2013

Re-read my post, please. I was questioning a contention from Mr. "Dover," which I consider as ridiculous as you probably do.

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Sandra Sims

10:15 am on Friday, January 4, 2013

The only one calling them :"trash" is YOU. And it's overPAID. Maybe the next time you volunteer you could pick up some spelling tips.

Ralf Landmesser

10:57 am on Friday, January 4, 2013

Nice comment Sandra, way to stay on topic by making personal attacks. Maybe if you read all the posts, you would see that a large amount of these comments are indeed diminishing the actual achievements of the teachers they are purporting to support. I guess it's easier and snarkier to attack a spelling error than to make a strong argument. Thank yew for beeing my personal spell Czech.

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HM

12:52 pm on Friday, January 4, 2013

Ralf - most of us are not bashing the teachers. I appreciate the hard work many of our teachers put forth. I also realize that we, as a society, can not continue to spend money we don't have, in the hopes that we will have more money down the road. The economic realities we are facing are quite grim, and we in Illinois are worse off than many other states. While it is not the teacher's fault, it is also not my fault, nor most of the hard working people in our town. None of us want to be in this position. I do fault the union with pushing an unrealistic agenda given the economic reality. The union does not care if teachers get laid off, only that their demands, no matter how unfounded, are met. If those demands are not met, they punish the students by making the teachers strike. Then, if their demands do get met after their temper tantrum, the students will likely get hurt more because of the layoffs that will be inevitable. There are likely to be layoffs whether or not the raises become a reality. Add in the raises, and there is less money to keep teachers employed. How is this good?

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Ralf Landmesser

1:00 pm on Friday, January 4, 2013

It's unfortunate that the Patch is letting someone with an obvious fake name - Bend Over, thank you Bart Simpson, make posts.

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Benjamin Dover

7:12 pm on Friday, January 4, 2013

Ralf...GCHS class of 1974...look it up.....my parents have a great sense of humor, but thanks for making fun of my name. You whine about Sandra making personal attacks against you....but have no problem making some of your own....you reek of hipocracy.

HAL E BERGER

1:18 pm on Friday, January 4, 2013

Julie with all due respect that is not true. The pension benfits of teachers far exceed most private sector companies that have no pension. Let me say there are masters degrees and there are masters degrees and they are not all equal and neither are the total responsibilities of those who have them in any career position.

The comparison is just not apples and apples and many corporate people work a 52 week year and most private sector managers and school administrators probably also work a 50 hour week. I think teachers are incredibly important in our society but as public sector employees they are sadly limited by the reality of the communities ability to pay. If they wanted the bigger bucks, or wish to keep comparing to the private sector perhaps they shoulld join the private sector?

They would then take on at 52 week 52 hour a week job in a truely alternate reality that many are trying to compare a teacher to. A great theatrical statement was made long ago --- "Perhaps, thou doest protest too much!!!"

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Benjamin Dover

7:14 pm on Friday, January 4, 2013

Oh Hal...Reason and logic will get you nowhere with this crowd.

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Terri

11:50 am on Sunday, January 6, 2013

Teachers don't compare themselves to the private sector...you and the rest of the nay-sayers do.

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WorriedParent

12:00 pm on Sunday, January 6, 2013

And because they don't compare themselves to any other working person, therefore they are entitled to much more than the rest of us?

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Terri

8:50 am on Monday, January 7, 2013

I thought someone said this was not a teacher-bashing site? I was simply stating that its the nay-sayers on this site that keep trying to compare teacher schedules to the private sector

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Melissa

8:56 am on Tuesday, January 15, 2013

Hal to your point about

"I think teachers are incredibly important in our society but as public sector employees they are sadly limited by the reality of the communities ability to pay. If they wanted the bigger bucks, or wish to keep comparing to the private sector perhaps they shoulld join the private sector?"

I think you aren't giving a thought to why teachers are pursuing masters...they, like all employees both in the private and public sectors, need to expand their skills and improve their teaching. Do you think they can do this without continuing and expanding their skills with education? I think not! If I were a parent I would be pleased to know that the educators teaching my children were educating themselves too. And frankly they should be paid accordingly. Taking classes, doing homework on-top of a 50 hr or more work week as a teacher deserves a reward. Yes they could go to the private sector, but then you are agreeing to excellent teachers leaving...we need to be encouraging not limiting. I would gladly pay more in taxes to know that my children were receiving the best education from the most educated teachers - and that is the truth.

Our students lag behind many developing countries because we do not encourage our teachers to continually educate themselves. Our students suffer because of your point above. It's simply sad that we continue to think this way.

Jose Cuervo

5:21 pm on Friday, January 4, 2013

The board has made it clear that should they agree to the unions requests, non-tenured teachers and support staff will have to be eliminated to cover the costs.
Can someone please tell me how anyone benefits from having positions and programs eliminated so others can have increases?
As HM said, the staff in d46 has seen increases every year for decades; the economy is bad and now the district is asking for everyone to keep doing their job for the same today that they had yesterday. Why is this unreasonable? One last question, what profession, public or private, guarantees increases every year?
Ralf, before you deem most of the posts diminishing the actual achievements of the teachers, go back and read the posts from every article on this topic. The majority of us feel the teachers in the district do a very good job. We would all like to be rewarded and see our neighrbors reward for the acheivements of our labors; the quality of the teachers isn't the issue. The lack of funds to support increases is.

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Ralf Landmesser

10:12 pm on Friday, January 4, 2013

I notice that the board makes it clear that the lowest salaried people will be hurt by lay-offs, the non-tenured teachers and support staff. When Jose Cuervo says "the staff has seen increases every year for decades, does that mean across the board increases? If so, why not more anger at the entire system? But yet again, a blind eye is cast at the the salaries of the administrators. That's right, I keep forgetting, I can't bring up the bloated salaries of the administrators, because they aren't in a union. They're just average Americans trying to get by on 6 figure salaries.

Just so my math is correct, laying off people making $30,000 per year is going to close a budget gap? is that correct?

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Jose Cuervo

8:24 am on Saturday, January 5, 2013

Ralf, your argument is invalid and allow me to explain why: the administrators aren't threatening to strike. If they can't make it on what they earn, they are able to look for employment elsewhere, just like every other working person, public or private sector.
The reality is there aren't a lot of opportunities out there in this economy.
Your math is correct but you don't want to hear or accept that. 30-40 people will have to lose their job so that others can have an increase. That is what would happen. That is why people like me, Hal, Ben, keep saying: "no one can afford to give in because it would hurt not only the district, but the teachers, the children, and the community as a whole". It is that simple and that real.

HAL E BERGER

10:42 pm on Friday, January 4, 2013

The issue is basic it is simple yet this site has lost it to nonsense petty attacks against each other. It is about outrageous taxation, deficit spending in D46, and a strike on schedule that no one can afford to give in to because it would hurt not only the district, the teachers, the schildren, and the community as a whole.

The argument is simple, there is no money to give to the teachers without long term hurting D46 and the children. Deficit spending is not an option, and taxpayers are hurting. We can debate how much we love teachers, or what other jobs compare to theirs but so what? We all appreciate the teachers, but that isn't the issue, it is an absurd union strike that could cripple D46 for years to come. Folks it is about living withiin what we have not within what we wish we had and don't.

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Charles

8:45 am on Saturday, January 5, 2013

**applaud**... You hit the nail on the head.

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Tony

9:26 am on Saturday, January 5, 2013

Well put Hal,

I think this just about sums up this one.

As I have said already, let the union push the teaches into a strike against the kids and community. Those teachers who truly support the community and the students will cross the lines and show their true commitment to the students, their profession and the community. (you know none will)........

Those who choose to walk the lines rather than teach our children should receive no support from the community.

Julie

10:59 am on Sunday, January 6, 2013

Minimum 8 hours at school. 2-4 hours take home work. Extracurricular advisors add another 5 or so hours a week. Add in required continuing education hours. You have 50-70 hours a week. Maybe the teachers I know are just super altruistic, but I don't know one teacher who isn't doing prep work at home. My mother, my father and my brother are all teachers. My best friend and her husband are teachers. many of myneighbors ate teschers right here in Gratslake. i teach extracurricular music classes and see it all around me when I am in the school.

My husband, a professional in the private sector works the same amount of time and he is paid 3 times as much as a teacher and he doesn't have Masters.

50-70 is easy to rack up in almost any profession, but most others jobs factor that into the compensation.

Instead of treating teachers like the professionals they are we try to prentend they are hourly employees who slack and get tons of time off.

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Charles

12:00 pm on Sunday, January 6, 2013

If you feel you are underpaid and worked too hard, find another job. You don't seem to grasp that at some point the money runs out.

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HAL E BERGER

12:06 pm on Sunday, January 6, 2013

The argument is still simple, there is no money to give to the teachers without long term hurting D46 and the children. Deficit spending is not an option, and taxpayers are hurting. We can debate how much we love teachers, or what other jobs compare to theirs but so what? We all appreciate the teachers, but that isn't the issue, it is an absurd union strike that could cripple D46 for years to come. Folks it is about living withiin what we have not within what we wish we had and don't. A raise today simply means large class sizes and your associates will be cut tomorrow.

Benjamin Dover

3:49 pm on Monday, January 7, 2013

Oh Julie....here you go again. No reason on why they deserve a raise. Now your true colors come to light....you're a teacher, parents are teacher, brother's a teacher, best friend and her spouse a teacher. I have no doubt they are all excellent teachers, like many others in D46. But that does not qualify them for an automatic pay raise for the 31st consecutive year.

What is your justification for this pay raise? Also, where you gonna get the money, many, many taxpayers have no more to give.

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HAL E BERGER

8:23 am on Tuesday, January 8, 2013

Although many keep stating teachers deserve or don't deserve a raise the issue has not much to do with quality of teaching but as my sister states it's about MONEY HONEY.

The argument is still simple, there is no money in D46 to give to the teachers or anyone else without long term hurting D46 and the children. Deficit spending is not an option, and taxpayers and the community are hurting. Again, my broken record, we can debate how much we love teachers, or what other jobs compare to theirs but so what? We all appreciate the teachers, but that isn't the issue, it is about living withiin what we have, not within what we wish we had and don't.

You need to really think about this because many of you will be out screaming when it happens next year:

A raise today simply means cuts tomorrow, larger class sizes and teachers will be laid off tomorrow. There are only so many dollars and you can pretend the district is rich but it is not and it is already deficit spending. So do you want common sense to prevail or NO-sense to prevail?

LMJ

4:53 pm on Wednesday, January 9, 2013

Come on. I don't think anyone is making this against teachers. It is about the funds of this district. The only ones who are making this about the teachers are the people who are teachers are Union representatives in this district. By the way, if there is a teacher on here that thinks we are all against the teachers, you have been misinformed. There are many other government agencies in the area who have frozen their salaries for good reason. None of them are about "getting the teachers". So people like Terri, just need to pipe down and stop making a war that isn't there.

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Tony

3:46 pm on Thursday, January 10, 2013

The union pits teachers against the community, and the community against the teachers.

I again say, let the union drag the teachers into a strike. Those who continue to teach support the children and the community. In return, the community should support them.

Those who stand with the union should be replaced.

Tony

3:18 pm on Thursday, January 10, 2013

"Angela Sykora
11:34 am on Wednesday, January 2, 2013
Hi Ralf. School board members are not paid."

Why would Sue Facklam incur the out of pocket expense of purchasing gift cards, which she handed out to students in exchange for votes, in an attempt to retain a position which is unpaid?

Did she use district funds to perpetrate this unethical and inappropriate behavior?

Things that make you go hmmmmm.

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HAL E BERGER

9:36 am on Tuesday, January 15, 2013

One person said to me they would gladly pay more in taxes. Look I don't mean to be obtuse but that is absurd considering the economy and the incredibly high tax burden in our community today.

Again this is not about teachers hard work, they do work hard, and like most people who work hard in society and face tough times today we care about them. This is about the financial reality of the public sector and the private sector.

NO MONEY MEANS NO ABILITY TO PAY WITHOUT DEBT !!! In my view we have hit the end of the gravy train times. Public sector employees are now and will contiinue to be limited to a communitiees ability to pay. Yes, teachers might push through a costly agreement but that would be in the face of the reality that it is very unlikely the community will vote for a tax increase to pay for it. So the reality is that some teachers will get a raise and some teachers will be laid off to pay for it and other teachers will face increased class sizes. We might actually retain some good teachers, and perhaps a few of the bad teachers, and with low seniority we will probably lose the young energetic teachers that are still very excited about teaching.

This is the nightmare of public service in a terrible economy.

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Melissa

10:15 am on Tuesday, January 15, 2013

To respond to a argument without mentioning the reasoning for the statement is obtuse, in my opinion. Our economy is facing tough times and will continue in the future due to the lack of innovation and education. Students are the key to improving our economy for the long term. If we aren't prepared as a community to improve the education in our area then we might as well throw up our hands. I am all for raising my taxes in the response that it means better more educated teachers for our students. If we intend to compete in the global economy we must make education our #1 priority.

By the way many of the senior teachers are equally excited about teaching. They provide mentorship and collaborate with the younger teachers. We need a mix of seasoned and new teachers to ensure a whole education experience for our students.

Ralf Landmesser

10:35 am on Tuesday, January 15, 2013

Melissa, it's comments like this that will only get you mocked and ridiculed, but I still think you are spot on.

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Jose Cuervo

11:41 am on Tuesday, January 15, 2013

Can't give what you don't have! To argue the merits of why they should get increases or compare to other districts/occupations has no bearing here. I'll repeat: there isn't any money! The district has a million dollar deficit! You can't tax enough to cover the cost of these increases. The law only allows up to a certain amount (CPI or 5% whichever is lower). So those who are willing to pay more taxes and think others should pay more dont get that the law doesn't allow for it through the levy.
The only place to take money to give as increases is from somewhere else in the budget ie someone else's income.

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