Grayslake District 46 School Board Member Censured
Action-packed D46 school board meeting filled with anarchy.
Wednesday night’s school board meeting had just begun when the first bombshell was dropped.
“I would like to know why the district’s business manager David Tylavsky told me last week in private on school grounds that he had been fired and we were just told by Superintendent Correll that he was not here tonight because he had chest pains,” said board candidate Kip Evans during the public comment portion.
Audible gasps from the audience turned into shock and anger. Board president Mary Garcia then announced that the board was immediately going into closed session with the district’s attorney, Kevin Gordon, to discuss personnel matters.
Fifteen minutes later the board returned, but did not provide any further insight as to Tylavsky's whereabouts.
Changes in the public comments policy were next up.
Garcia told attendees they could not present comments to the board that were not related to the meeting agenda, although there would be time allotted at the end of the meeting for those items.
“How long has that rule been in place? You had better make sure you are in compliance with the Open Meetings Act,” said Round Lake board trustee Sue Triphahn. Garcia responded that the ruling was established two weeks ago to ensure that meeting time was managed efficiently.
Bombshell number two was dropped as board member Michael Carbone was publicly censured by the board for his activities on February 22, 2011.
”Board member Carbone requested from district administration the number of teachers who were not at school on that day (Feb. 22)," Garcia said. "He was told that he would not be provided with that information until it had been reviewed by Superintendent Correll. Carbone said that he had been told that a large group of teachers were attending the Union rally in Madison and that he wanted to determine if that was true.”
“A cell phone call was then placed to our SubFinder administrator asking for Mr. Carbone’s password because he had misplaced it. School board members do not have access to confidential staff information, so the provider notified the district of the call. The phone was traced to a Marchell Norris,” said Garcia.
Norris, a District 46 school board candidate, refuted the claim.
“I don’t even have a cell phone in my name. I use the pay-by-the-minute ones,” said Norris.
“I consider it a high honor to be a watchdog for the parents and children of this district. I will continue to fight for transparency in the district for the next two years,” said Carbone. About half the audience quickly gave him a standing ovation and round of applause.
Despite all of the controversial items, one parent in attendance said she was still in support of the district.
“As a parent and teaching assistant in the district, I’m surprised by the amount of criticism of the board. I am very pleased with the programs and quality of education my children are receiving. I expect to pay for that with my taxes,” said meeting attendee Nadia Shams.
Stay tuned to Patch for more updates on the D46 meeting and other school issues.
marilyn
6:36 pm on Thursday, March 17, 2011
I'm sure it has nothing to do with the fact that Mike is a republican, and Mary Garcia is president of the union....she recently accused people of 'bringing personal agendas to the table', yet there she is, basking in her own personal agenda. All this yammering about the unions work for the students, PLEASE. What has the union done for students? nothing. In fact, in Wisc., kids have to go to school from 20 minutes to an hour extra now, to make up for the teachers' strike. And it's not a requirement of their education...it's a requirement for FINDING. so the kids are held hostage by funding. Nice. Mike is a really good guy, he was protecting his community, and she censures him. He was concerned that teachers that WE PAY were out of state rallying. The Patch at least reported, and didn't take sides, like the Daily Herald...who obviously came down on the side of the unions.
cynthia
8:06 am on Friday, March 18, 2011
What posters do not understand is: When you are being paid by the Tax payer you CANNOT participate in political issues like being in Madison at a Union event. I think every school in Mchenry County should find out if their teachers were gone on Feb. 22nd. Clearly this Board does not intend to be open and honest to the tax payer. And to post an opinion of someone PAID by the school is really unfortunate and unprofessional.
Grayslake Resident
10:16 am on Friday, March 18, 2011
I'm curious, Cynthia...can you provide more information on your statement regarding teachers' rights (or lack thereof) to participate in political issues? It's my understanding that teachers are allotted personal days in their contracts, to be used as they wish, just like other actual human beings. Can you support your claim?
I wholeheartedly agree with Chris Siegel, above: Mr. Carbone is not a watchdog for me, and as a taxpayer and resident of Grayslake, I resent his actions, his comments, and his grandstanding.
cynthia
10:32 am on Friday, March 18, 2011
I'm curious too. What School District are you employeed by? Like a true UNION EMPLOYEE you expect the taxpayer to pay you while you participate in a function that will harm the tax payer with higher tax's. Did you decline your pay for the day that you spent doing political work for the Democrates in Wisconsin? Of course you didn't. Your sence of entitlement that the tax payers owe you for your 9 months of employment . Incredible salary ,pensions and perks all the while test scores are going down and our kids can't even compete with third world countries. But you have time to go and march in Wisconsin.
Make no mistake Wisconsin is comming to Illinois...the tax payers have had it.
Like I said we should all demand the list of Teachers missing on the 22nd and file a compl;aint with Board of Education, The FEDs,Our politicians and States Attorneys office. Lets see if we can get the salaries pulled for those Union hogs.
Grayslake Resident
11:00 am on Friday, March 18, 2011
Wow.
Actually, I'm not employed by a union. I'm just highly principled.
Your statement above speaks volumes about you, and very little about me. I trust you are unable to support your original claim, and I will respectfully bow out of further communication with you.
cynthia
11:16 am on Friday, March 18, 2011
Really Grayslake resident. Is your name on tht list?
Your probably sitting in your class room doing these emails and reading blogs while the students have to teach themselves.
You think its allright for a union employee to be paid by Illinois Tax payers and to use that salary to go and do political work in Wisconsin..Highly Principled ..Right..Sounds like politics Chicago style.
Yes, it does say alot dosn't it.
If it was all right then why is the School Board refusing to provide the information?
I think every teacher should be fired who used Illinois Tax payer salary to go and politic in Wisconsin on behalf of Unions
css
3:41 pm on Sunday, March 20, 2011
Very interesting that cynthia here thinks she has all the facts. How easy it must be for her to condemn the youth of Grayslake to the whims of politicians purporting to care about the future. Also quite easy to make assumptions about anyone with whom she disagrees. By the way, cybthia, the school board really wasn't the issue. The issue was Mr. Carbone trying to break into computer files that are confidential. You know... just a little something called civil rights. And, if you in fact, have a job, I suppose you have no personal or sick days? No paid days built into the calendar in which to take care of personal matters or stay home sick? Wow, that's a shame. Almost inhuman actually. So one more question, where'd you go to school as a youth. Your grammar and spelling is abysmal (look it up).
Rich
12:46 pm on Friday, March 18, 2011
Wow. Are we not getting this? A board member apparently lies to try to access the private system used by employees of the district. This is unethical regardless of the reason. Then he states that he is a watchdog for me. Resign from the board! Our students require you to have ethical behavior. And those that applauded, shame on you.
cynthia
1:01 pm on Friday, March 18, 2011
What you don't get is how the SCHOOL is hiding information that should be public..You don't like having to be ACCOUNTABLE to the public who pays YOUR SALARY???Then resign and go into private business. There was nothing illegal here. No one was proven to be guilty?? Just alot of smoke in order to hide from the SCHOOL.
You may not feel you need a watch dog but the rest of the tax payers do..You feel the school should not have to be accoutable then good. You pay for the school out of your own pocket. But as long as the money comes from us..They better pony up the information.
Shame on you that you think you are the Judge, Jury and the prosecution. Somebody better find out of these teachers were in Wisconsin on tax payer dime and get that money back. We will see how fast these teachers change their activity if it comes out of their pocket. Oh yeah they will be singing a diffrent tune alright..
css
3:47 pm on Sunday, March 20, 2011
The school (district, I assume you mean) has to provide information about who was absent on a given day? Is that what you're saying? And I guess the absent teacher should have to provide exact details about what he or she was doing between the hours of opening bell to dismissal bell too, huh? And boy, you sure are threatening. Those teachers must be shaking in their boots.
Kristy Anderson
2:21 pm on Friday, March 18, 2011
Amen Homer! Seriously, can you say unethical? There is a reason the Huffington Post picked up this insane story yesterday. Carbone is an embarrassment to Grayslake & so is everyone that thinks being unethical is okay. This is NOT an example of how I want my children to be raised!
cynthia
2:32 pm on Friday, March 18, 2011
So the school withholding information from tax payers is alright with you?
Teaching your children that your quilty without due process is the American way.
Using time off from your job to sneak around to support political agenda is good?
To have such a sence of entitlement that you sneak to other states trying to protect your gravy train job and Union affiliation. ...Nice....
Your children will obviously be part of that New Group of Americans who live off the back of othe
css
3:49 pm on Sunday, March 20, 2011
You really have a problem with educators, don't you? I can see they did a disservice by you, but your anger is really misplaced.
GCNS President
2:40 pm on Friday, March 18, 2011
Carbone is an embarrassment. Teachers are allotted personal days and they can use them however they want. It is NO ONE's business.
Rich
2:51 pm on Friday, March 18, 2011
Homer here! Great to hear from Kristy and Kristin. Cynthia, this is America. Education is a fundamental right. So is participating in our government, whether right or left. Our teachers are not second class citizens. I pay my taxes and am proud to say I and my children gaduated from District 46. I am glad the district taught me how to spell along with being a good citizen. I would think less of the district if they put employee work records out to the public. Teachers have rights also. Oh, thats right, you want their rights taken away!
cynthia
3:08 pm on Friday, March 18, 2011
Kristy,
I can assure you its the tax payers business on how teachers are spedning their time thats paid for by the tax payer.
cynthia
4:00 pm on Friday, March 18, 2011
I am glad you didn't say Good Education because that is not what our children get. The facts tell us that our teachers are at the bottom 20% of grade point averages in college. When you are a public employee your work history is public. And soon your education will also be public. If you want your privacy then work for a private company.
Homer you are so out of touch with what is happening with schools across the county. Perhpas you and your fellow teachers Kristy and Kristin could get together and actually read a few well respected Newspapers like the Wall Street Journal. Now, you can't find it at Walmart but perhaps if you know where your public library is that could be a start.
Unlike other professional organizations which bring together professionals to help them expand their knowledge the Teachers Unions have one purpose: To terrorize parents into tax hikes that pay School administrators and teachers more for their wages and benefits. Pay increases not based upon performance but instead time on the job.
Last year the entire state of New York fired just 4 teachers..They could not fire more because of the current tenure rules that even completely useless teachers cannot be fired. We have the same rules in Illinois. The tax payers paying pensions to teachers who have brought our education system to the level of a third world country.
css
3:52 pm on Sunday, March 20, 2011
Oh, if you only were half as intelligent as you're trying to sound. YOU are the one out of touch, sorry to say. Maybe you should turn off FOX and try getting some reality-based information.
cynthia
4:03 pm on Friday, March 18, 2011
Unlike other professional organizations which bring together professionals to help them expand their knowledge the Teachers Unions have one purpose: To terrorize parents into tax hikes that pay School administrators and teachers more for their wages and benefits. Pay increases not based upon performance but instead time on the job.
Last year the entire state of New York fired just 4 teachers..They could not fire more because of the current tenure rules that even completely useless teachers cannot be fired. We have the same rules in Illinois. The tax payers paying pensions to teachers who have brought our education system to the level of a third world country.
The public is on to you and Wisc. Iowa, Indiana and Ohio are just afew States starting to fight back. its only a matter of time and Illinois and the rest of the country will make the same changes.
And all of those teachers molesting kids and otherwise lewd behavior..Please this is not by any stretch of the imagination the higher level citizens we want in our schools.. Maybe they could spell but they couldn't keep their pants on or their hands to themselves.
Just go into a school today and see how the majority of the teachers dress.. Cream of the crop...Oh my,,I don't think so..
css
3:53 pm on Sunday, March 20, 2011
WOW---you really are delusional.
marilyn
4:18 pm on Friday, March 18, 2011
there are a whole bunch of people calling for her resignation, and are reminding us of other incidents, such as her husband being granted a job in the schools, and her being on both sides of the bargaining table. How a person can be the president of the board, AND the union, is beyond me.
Censuring Mike was a cowardly act, regardless of her disagreement with his values. Also we have the issue of the other guy being fired, but the board LYING about it. If Garcia doesn't have a personal agenda, I don't know who does.
Kristy Anderson
4:42 pm on Friday, March 18, 2011
So Cynthia, since I graduated from District 46, & was taught how to spell, by the way, you would rather a teacher take a personal day off to lay at the pool, hit a big sale at the mall or watch daytime soaps? Such a big assumption to conclude that every person that took off ONE day off work, all ran to Wisconsin? But we can clearly already see what happens when you ASSume things, right? Oh & so we're clear, I'm not a teacher, nor have I ever been a teacher. Nor do I have any interest in being a teacher or ever working at a school. Again, see what happens when we ASSume things?
Grayslake Resident
4:44 pm on Friday, March 18, 2011
Homer, Kristy, and Kristin: Comments from the person calling himself "cynthia" remind me of this quote: "You can't have a battle of wits with someone who is unarmed."
I hope you'll do yourselves a favor and excuse yourself from communication with this person. It's so not worth it. Let him go on and on with his drivel...he will only continue to embarrass himself.
cynthia
4:57 pm on Friday, March 18, 2011
Have you discounted any fact I have put forward.?/ No of course not. . Please by all means lay out some facts.
Now lookey here what comes out about the School Board President who is ALSO the PRESIDENT of the UNION.
I am reminded of this quote: "Hark he doth protest too much"
Gives jobs to her husband...Maybe to you calling yourself Homer, Kristy, Kristin and now Grayslake resident. Yes, your ethical all right. In a pigs eye.
Look at what comes out now...
cynthia
5:02 pm on Friday, March 18, 2011
And this quote " You cannot argue with an idiot who has no facts"
css
4:04 pm on Sunday, March 20, 2011
Hmm... novel idea. Let's see some of those facts, Cynthia. You know, like this gem you produced- "all of those teachers molesting kids and otherwise lewd behavior... Maybe they could spell but they couldn't keep their pants on or their hands to themselves. Love to see those stats! " I especially like this one, and eagerly await your proof- "Like a true UNION EMPLOYEE you expect the taxpayer to pay you while you participate in a function that will harm the tax payer with higher tax's. Did you decline your pay for the day that you spent doing political work for the Democrates in Wisconsin? Of course you didn't. Your sence of entitlement that the tax payers owe you for your 9 months of employment . Incredible salary ,pensions and perks all the while test scores are going down and our kids can't even compete with third world countries. But you have time to go and march in Wisconsin. " So you obviously know this individual and were up to date on every move this person made on the day in question... I am impressed with the time and effort you've put into knowing this person's business.
Kristy Anderson
9:15 pm on Friday, March 18, 2011
Well said Cynthia. Thanks for quoting yourself.
Chris
10:25 pm on Friday, March 18, 2011
I had a post about this subject earlier, but deleted it as I quickly learned that the discussion was becoming divisive.
As residents of Grayslake and the immediate community, I would think that we could come together on many issues. Whether Republican or Democrat, left or right wing, and those in-between, we need not be destructive agents among ourselves. Nothing will get accomplished that way.
As an example, I do not think that any rational person wants "bad" teachers in our schools. Tenure does not prohibit bad teachers from being removed. It may be perceived as being more difficult to do so and it probably is. But bad teachers can and should be fired. And they are. In the end, it's not tenure that may protects a bad teacher, but rather a system we put into place and may need to evaluate. And we have to think about the fact of whether or not we honestly believe that the person who is a "bad" teacher is someone who woke up one morning with the idea that they were going to go into a classroom and act destructively toward children. What then is the cause? Is it a policy or procedure, we the community imposed?
We can agree to disagree, and we likely not move forward. Or we can find the common elements--those things we can agree upon-- and work toward a more prosperous future.
I hope this sounds reasonable to you.
cynthia
10:12 am on Saturday, March 19, 2011
Thank you Chris,
1.You say tenured teachers are fired all the time. Can you provide Illinois data on how many were let go last yeaR?
2.A few months ago Arne Duncan pointed out that Illinois was the worst state to dummy down ISAT scores. Can you prove this is not true?
3. How many generations should we loose to bad education. We have already lost rwo.
4. Should Teachers while being paid by the tax payer be allowed to take time off to Union Organize? ( which is actually working aganist the tax payer)?
5. Should school boards be allowed to LIE to the public they serve?
6. Should school boards be allowed to withhold information from the public?
7. Schould school board Presidents be allowed to hire family and hold two positions on either side of the fence ?
8 Should teachers just fail and fail and the kids just pushed through grade after grade all the while they get pay increases and pension benefits.
9. The US spends 30% more per child than any other country yest we are producing children in the bottom 20%
10. 65% of children in detention are students with specail needs who never got services.
Just look at the above factual comments from Hommer, Kristin and Kristy who claim to be graduates of this school district. Darrell, my other brother Darrell and my other brother Darrell...Don't thse comment alone make you see how many generations we have lost to ignorance.??? Can we really afford to loose more?
css
4:15 pm on Sunday, March 20, 2011
First of all, it's L-O-S-E. We're not loosing generations. Second, still waiting for that proof of yours that D46 teachers were in Wisconsin. Third, no, school boards shouldn't lie to the public. Neither should politicians or the media. Fourth, how many kids are just being pushed through, and how many are not progressing solely because of their teachers? Just how do YOU suggest teachers be held accountable for each and every student they have? I suggest you become a teacher. You seem to have all the answers, and you think the paycheck is quite handsome indeed. And as you say, you really barely have to work at all. I'm particularly interested in number 10- 65 percent of children in detention are students with special needs yet never got services. I would really love to know where you came up with that. I'll be waiting. Thanks.
GCNS President
12:16 pm on Saturday, March 19, 2011
Last comment because "Cynthia" is not interested in actual discussion. You need to bone up on your reading comprehension. I did say anywhere that I am a graduate of the D46 system. I was a military brat and went to more schools in more states than you can imagine. I have seen all types of education systems. I graduated a year early with honors and went to a prestigious college where I earned my BM degree in music performance with a minor in English Lit.
My mother however was a teacher in D46. She started the challenge program and won awards for it. It has since been cut to a fraction of what it used to be. Our children suffer not from a lack of good, qualified teachers, but from tax payers such as yourself who think education of our children is the least important use of our tax money EVER. Teachers are not indentured servants who must report their every move to their masters. They are highly educated professional who should be compensated as such. They are also tax payers for heavens sakes.
Your circular arguments must make you extremely dizzy. Teachers are not, nor have they ever been the enemy and the union just gives them a collective voice. Your points only serve to prove that teachers need the loudness that is afforded them by bargaining collectively.
With that I am done.
Enjoy your round and round "Cynthia"
cynthia
1:00 pm on Saturday, March 19, 2011
Music performance..Wow.. And you have doen what with this wonderful degreee? Me= Yale 1982..Check the alum records.
You don't even realize how you are digging yourself deeper with ridiculous broad range comments not based upon any fact but personel opinion.
As you say yourself you have lived a life based upon pensions, and tax payer funded provisions. Your father was military ? Getting a 90% pension at the age of 50 for the rest of his life. Not tax'd. Kids getting a military college deduction.
Of course you are all pro Union.
So how much is enough? Three times the amount of any other country yet some of the worst results.
Read something and get your head out of your Mp3 player before you even try and debate.
Nice...Collective barganing is used for what???? helping students......Impoving Education??? Do you even understand what you are saying?/
No of course not..its used to strong arm tax increases to inflate teachers/administrators pay..
Our schools have gone down the tubes in the last 20-30 years....I hope you feel proud of yourself for all that you have contributed to society.
css
4:19 pm on Sunday, March 20, 2011
Oh yes, I see it... Cynthia- Yale, right there in black and white! Too bad you didn't learn anything there. So much for "elitist" education.
Kristy Anderson
2:35 pm on Saturday, March 19, 2011
Yale? LMAO. What an embarrassment to a fine University. I guess they couldn't teach you how to spell, write a clear organized sentence, or help you with your manic thoughts. Facts are the facts. Let's stick to the topic. The board member clearly did something unethical. No way around it. That's a fact. WINNING!
cynthia
3:03 pm on Saturday, March 19, 2011
And you Kristy,Kristin , Homer,
What ever your name is have not provided even the most basic fact.
Its your uneducated opinion that something unethical was done.
Like I said" Don't try to argue with an idiot without facts."
The union entitlement,everybody owes me, I should not have to produce, I should be taken care of by the government mentality. The three flocks of sheep.
Well your posts just prove my point about how education has taken such a tumble. Your proving the whole point about the decline in education. The stupid masses. Without the ability to interpert data or information and then form an opinion.
css
4:23 pm on Sunday, March 20, 2011
I don't believe it's an "uneducated opinion" to view something as unethical when the said action is clearly UNETHICAL. Trying to get private information from private records by lying is not something to look lightly upon. Especially if the motive is purely political and intended to mislead the public.
marilyn
3:08 pm on Saturday, March 19, 2011
Let's not forget that Mary Garcia is 1/public teacher, 2/president of the board./ 3/president of the union. Also, she uses her DIstrict email to solicit campaign dontaions. Also she censures people she doesn't agree with. also she lied about why the gentleman was not there. Then shuts down public comments and questions. Schools don't like people rocking their boat. They want all the credit, none of the blame. Mike did nothing wrong. Oh and Mary got ehr husband a nice job with the schools...not sure if he would have gotten it otherwise. Schools want everyone to do evrything THEIR way, so they can keep things how they want them...just walk into any school office, they are the bossiest people ever, And OMG don't ask a question, they just look at you like how dare you? When I went to get a board of education election packet at Dist 127, they made me do all sorts of stuff, made me give them all sorts of information, made me meet with the superintendant before I could get my packet...all of which is illegal, but unfortunately I didn't know. this was all after a wild goose chase they sent me on between building to get the packet in the first place. Dist. 50 wasn't as bad, but they sure wanted to know who was going to upset their applecart, God forbid a conservative. School elections may be nonpartison in theory, but in reality, they are all about politics. Dist 50 was VERY unhappy with me when I asked for my packet and decline to leave contact information.
Ron Garbett
7:14 pm on Saturday, March 19, 2011
CYNTHIA,
THOUGH YOU SAY YOU ARE EDUCATED, YOU SOUND LIKE THE DUMBEST PERSON ON EARTH. I AM GOING TO SAY THIS ONCE AND ONLY ONCE. YOU SHOULD NOT EVER MAKE COMMENTS THAT YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT. I AM PART OF A FAMILY THAT IS 3 GENERATIONS DEEP IN FIGHTING FOR "YOUR RIGHT" TO FREE SPEECH.. MY GRANDFATHER FOUGHT BRAVELY IN WWII FOR YOUR RIGHTS, MY FATHER SERVED 2 TOURS IN VIETNAM FOR YOUR RIGHTS AND I FOUGHT BRAVELY IN DESERT STORM FOR YOUR RIGHTS. NOW BEFORE YOU MAKE A COMMENT ABOUT WHAT DO THESE WARS HAVE TO DO WITH YOUR BASIC RIGHTS.
Ron Garbett
7:14 pm on Saturday, March 19, 2011
FREEDOM OF SPEECH- HOW WOULD YOU LIKE TO BE SPEAKING GERMAN OR RUSSIAN OR JAPANESE RIGHT NOW AND CAN NOT HAVE THIS GREAT AVENUE LIKE THE PATCH TO WRITE YOUR YALE EDUCATED WORDS UPON. WAIT SORRY YOUR STUPID ASS COMMENTS ABOUT MILITARY PENSIONS. YES I AM PUBLIC EDUCATED IN MANY STATES AS WELL. IF IT WERE NOT FOR US DUMB NON YALE EDUCATED PEOPLE YOU WOULD NOT HAVE THIS SIMPLE FREEDOM. YOU MAY COMMENT ABOUT UNIONS AND TEACHERS AND EDUCATION AND ANY OTHER SORRY ASS THINGS YOU WANT. BUT NEVER STEP OUT OF THE BOX AND TALK ABOUT THE GREAT PEOPLE WHO PROTECT YOUR VERY RIGHTS TO DO SO. MY FAMILY LIVED NEAR POVERTY FOR MANY YEARS AND MY PARENTS BOTH WORKED BESIDES WHAT MY DAD DID FOR THE GOVERNMENT. WE STRUGGLED WHEN MY DAD WENT OVER SEAS . MY MOTHER WEPT WHEN I WENT OF TO WAR BECAUSE SHE NEW WHAT I HAD TO FACE IN THE DESERT NO COVER ,NO WHERE TO HIDE- NEVER BEFORE HAVE WE FOUGHT ON SUCH AN OPEN BATTLEFIELD.
Ron Garbett
7:15 pm on Saturday, March 19, 2011
MY SWEAT FROM MY BODY AND THE SWEAT FROM MILLIONS OTHERS GAVE YOU YOUR RIGHT TO GO TO YALE AND BE EDUCATED. SO WHATEVER PENSION MY FATHER GETS IS FAR IN COMPARISION IN WHAT HE SHOULD BE GETTING FOR BEING SHOT FOR HIS COUNTRY.
MY NAME IS RON GARBETT I LIVE AT 621 PIERCE CT GRAYSLAKE , IL. 60030 YOU EVER WANT TO DEBATE MILITARY [ENSIONS,COME BY SOMETIME I WILL EDUCATE YOU IN WHAT IT IS LIKE TO HAVE THE BEST DAMN JOB IN THE WORLD AND GET PAID NEXT TO NOTHING FOR IT.
THANK YOU MARCIA FOR GIVING US NON YALE AAAAA EDGAMACATED PEOPLES THE AVENUE TO EXPRESS OUR FREEDOMS.
Ron Garbett
7:18 pm on Saturday, March 19, 2011
Your father was military ? Getting a 90% pension at the age of 50 for the rest of his life. Not tax'd. Kids getting a military college deduction.
IN CASE ANYBODY JUST WANTED TO READ THE COMMENT THAT GOT ME STARTED.
Ron Garbett
7:21 pm on Saturday, March 19, 2011
BESIDES I DO NOT HIDE BEHIND WORDS OR ANY ONE ELSES NAME. I AM NOT AFRAID TO LET ANYONE KNOW WHO I AM. I NEVER WANT TO BE MISS QUOTED OR HAVE ANYONE MISINTERPET WHAT MY WORDS MEAN. OK
marilyn
8:39 pm on Saturday, March 19, 2011
IT IS INTERESTING HOW PEOPLE ARE SAYING THAT MIKE DID SOMETHING UNETHCIAL. FOR ONE THING, NOTHING HAS BEEN PROVEN ABOUT THAT, IT IS JUST WHAT MS GARCIA HAS SAID. AND SPEAKING OF UNETHICAL, FOLLOW HER TRAIL AND THERE IS A WHOLE LOT OF INTERESTING BUSINESS GOING ON. WHICH IS WHY SHE HATES MIKE. ANYONE WHO IS A TEACEHR, THE PRESIDENT OF THE BOARD AND UNION CANNOT BE NONPARTISAN, NO MATTER WHAT THEY SAY.THE BOARDS HERE ARE RUN BY DEMOCRATS, WHICH IS WHY THEY LOVE THE STATE OF ILLINOIS SO MUCH. THE UNIONS ALSO FUND THEIR CAMPAIGNS.
marilyn
8:45 pm on Saturday, March 19, 2011
ONE MORE THING. AND THAT IS, THE BOARD OF ED IS SUPPOSED TO BE ABOUT THE STUDENTS...BUT MARY GARCIA HAS MADE IT ALL ABOUT WHAT SHE WANTS AND HOW SHE WANTS IT. THE UNIONS DO NOTHING FOR THE STUDENTS, EXCEPT SUCK UP ALOT OF MONEY.
THE SCHOOLS SYSTEMS HAVE REACHED THAT POINT WHERE PEOPLE KNOW MORE THAN THEY EVER HAVE, AND THE SCHOOL OFFICIALS ARE HAVING A HARD TIME COMING TO TERMS WITH THE FACT THAT ALTHOUGH WE HAVE ALLOWED THEM TO THINK THEY ARE IN CHARGE FOR YEARS, THEY REALLY AREN'T IN CHARGE...AND PERHAPS WE HAVE FORGOTTEN HOW TO BE IN CHARGE. iT IS PUBLIC SERVICE AFTER ALL. TEACHERS IN GENERAL HAVE BECOME TOO ENTWINED WITH UNIONS, WHICH IS WHY PEOPLE WHO ARE ANTI UNION ARE ACCUSED OF BEING ANTI-TEACHER WHEN IN FACT THAT ISN'T OFTEN THE CASE.
WARREN TOWNSHIP IS DOING THINGS TO EPOPLE ASKING QUESTIONS NOW TOO...DOESN'T SEEM TO MATTER TO THEM THAT IT IS THE LAW THAT THEY HAVE TO PUBISH INFORMATION. THEY DON'T WANT TO AND THEY ARE MAKING LIFE HARD FOR ANYBODY WHO PUSHES THEM. TALK ABOUT BULLYING!
cynthia
9:12 pm on Saturday, March 19, 2011
MARILYN,
YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT!
PARENTAL RIGHTS.ORG
WAITING FOR SUPERMAN
iLLINOIS POLICY INSTITUTE
iLLINOIS FAMILY TAXPAYER ASSOCIATION
bILL GATES FOUNDATION
PARENT TRIGGER LAWS
CHECK ILLINOIS REPORT CARD ON SCHOOL PERFORMANCE
JUST TO NAME A FEW ORGANIZATIONS TRYING TO BRING CHANGE TO OUR SCHOOLS.
WE HAVE THESE REGIONAL SUPERINTENDENTS OF SCHOOLS WHICH ARE NOTHING MORE THAN VOTE HUNTERS AND THEY MAKE 6 FIGURES WITH HUGE PENSIONS. THEY ARE NOT EVEN PART OF THE BOARD OF EDUCATION. THEY ARE PURE POLITICAL POSITIONS. IT VERY UGLY.
WE HAVE THESE SCHOOL DRONS SENT OUT BY THE SCHOOLS TO STOP ANYONE FROM DEMANDING CHANGE. YOU KNOW DARN WELL THE SCHOOLS ARE BULLY MONGERS. LOOK AT THE
Brad Faxton
4:18 pm on Sunday, March 20, 2011
I've been debating with myself over the last few weeks whether or not I should write this letter. Obviously, I outvoted myself and wrote it. To get immediately to the point, I have a dream that my children will be able to live in a world filled with open spaces and beautiful wilderness—not in a dark, delusional world run by amateurish, sanctimonious nutters. Cynthia's maudlin preoccupation with scapegoatism, usually sicklied over with such nonsense words as "photoreconnaissance", would make sense if a person's honor were determined strictly by his or her ability to make higher education accessible only to those in the higher echelons of society. On one hand, Cynthia insists that her tractates are our final line of defense against tyrrany. But on the other hand, she favors grasping at straws, trying to find increasingly rotten ways to bring ugliness and nastiness into our lives. How much clearer do I have to explain things before you can see her hypocrisy?
I've said this before, and I'll say it again, but Cynthia's goal is to poke and pry into every facet of our lives. From a purely technical point of view, Cynthia's epithets are a mere cavil, a mere scarecrow, one of the last shifts of a desperate and dying cause. You shouldn't let Cynthia intimidate you. You shouldn't let her push you around. We're the ones who are right, not Cynthia. To conclude, Cynthia is a heterogeneous conglomeration of everything officious, gormless, and wayward.
Carl
12:02 pm on Sunday, March 20, 2011
Lisa...I mean, Cynthia:
Really?
css
4:39 pm on Sunday, March 20, 2011
Point taken, Brad. i feel compelled to respond to such foolishness as presented by Cynthia, by presenting foolish words of my own. She is to be viewed with contempt, but she is so childish, it's difficult to take her seriously, and one can only shake one's head at her ignorance. I feel for the youth of this district and the youth around the country who are being used as pawns by adults pretending to care about their futures. The youth are the ones hurt the most by this pretend "fiscal responsibility". How about looking at the politicians, economists, and bankers if you're really interested in what brought about this downturn. Teachers salaries and collective bargaining have nothing to do with it. Just an easy target. Meanwhile, the quality of education will go down as more and more good teachers leave the profession, and more policy decisions make it impossible to actually teach.
Marcia Sagendorph
8:46 pm on Sunday, March 20, 2011
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Thank you. I'd be happy to answer any questions you have at marcia.sagendorph@patch.com.
cynthia
12:53 am on Monday, March 21, 2011
As we can tell many of the posters here are Teachers. Notice how they require everyone else to educate them on the facts I have posted here. They are so out of touch with what is happening all across the country with public schools and the initiatives of private foundations to improve and completely overhaul our failed public school system.
Instead they attack me personally because this is exactly what they do to parents in the public school system who ask for a better education for their children. They gang up on parents of special needs students and find every excuse in the book to redirect responsibility back onto the parents shoulders for their inability to do their job.
Did you know that Home school parents spend just 2-3 hours per day on school and these children are 20 points higher on SAT scores and are always in the top 10% in spelling. So many parents talk about how much homework their children bring home sometimes 2-3 hours ..Parents are hiring tutors and sylvan and other educational support services.
Tim, you will go crazy once you see what goes on in the public school system. Just talk with a professional who has a child in the public school system.
I guess all of the writers in the Wall Street Journal, The Post, New York times, and the Sun are all wrong too. All the charter schools opeing up to get around the public school mess .Theya re all wrong too.
I don't expect to have anything in common with the lowest 20% of grade point average.
css
5:45 am on Monday, March 21, 2011
Well Cynthia, I am not a teacher, nor am I a union member, however, I am a member of the human race (which I believe most teachers to be as well). I believe there is such a thing called human rights (as an American, I'd think you'd have heard of them), that allows for, among other things, privacy. Why don't you feel such vitriol for the politicians and corporations? They are the ones really taking your money. Not the teachers who you so easily blame. But blaming them is easier, isn't it? When the right wing media continues to paint them as evil, and the sheep blindly follow along, what can one expect?
css
6:02 am on Monday, March 21, 2011
Oh, one more thing, Cynthia- you are the one stating these "facts" therefore, the burden of proof lies with you. I am actually quite knowledgeable about the state of public education in this country. I'm not saying in any way, shape. or form that public education is as successful or efficient as it should be. I'm not even a huge fan of the District 46 board. But your insistence that teachers and their unions are to blame is ludicrous and demonstrates your LACK of the knowledge you purport to have.
Brad Faxton
9:49 am on Monday, March 21, 2011
I am not a teacher in the sense that I'm employed by a school district. I am a teacher at work where I "walk the high steel" as an iron worker. I teach every day. And yes, I am very well educated. I can use big words.
Jerry Pech
7:45 am on Monday, March 21, 2011
I love it when Ron Garbett gets on a roll....Go Ron Go...more importantly Ron from one vet to another...Thanks for your service!
cynthia
8:27 am on Monday, March 21, 2011
I don't have the time or the desire to try and educate the uneducated. All of you come to debate what you know nothing about. This is so typical of our society. None of you ( css,homer,kristy,kristin, crazy ), have given even one shred of information other than your own rantings and personel opinions and attacks.
To cry and cry about public employees being paid by the tax payer having to prove performace and their paid for time off activities . Oh my goodness,,how dare we step on their HUMAN RIGHTS.............
Do you think in private business you can take a personel day off and then use that time to work for a competitor? If any of you actually held a real job you would know that this would not be accepted.
Teachers are so used to not being held accoutable for performace..hiding behind their ability to strike.
Teachers see themsleves as proffessionals and so needed by the comminity..Well if they were as good as they think they are then all of us would know this and they wouldn't need a Union. So, lets call them out.
You all see yourself as so wonderful doing such a great job and all the parents and community see what a good job your doing..Drop the Union...Why do you need a Union?? Private industry dosn't have a union. Oh no the teachers are all scared out of thier minds that we will take their ability to hide behind the Union away.
We already have laws for employment in place. What the rest of us in private business don't have Human Rights protection.
css
11:26 am on Monday, March 21, 2011
Still waiting for proof of what you assert. I'd also be interested in your credentials. You know, like some evidence that you are the expert you claim to be. I can say with all confidence that I'm quite familiar with education. The good and the bad. Could it be that maybe your "sources" are not as reliable as you believe? I'm curious... what is your implication in this sentence? - "Teachers see themsleves as proffessionals and so needed by the comminity..Well if they were as good as they think they are then all of us would know this and they wouldn't need a Union. So, lets call them out." So because you did not receive an adequate education, others are not entitled? School is what you make of it- if you are a good student or motivated to succeed, you will take advantage. If you're not capable or not in an environment that values learning, you probably won't. teachers are the tools. They are not miracle-makers (although there is always a rare case in which miracles do appear to happen).
cynthia
8:38 am on Monday, March 21, 2011
Your not equiped to even attempt debate .
Go out there and learn about the big picture on Education. First you need to learn how to reserch a subject and access newspaper articles. Go to Red Box and see "Waiting for Superman"
Educate yorself on a Teachers contract. Simply follow some of the points I have thrown out there.
When you have done all of this then I will debate the subject. This forum has allowed me to enlighten a few people with information .
I urge everyone to see the Documentray "THe CHILD" available at Parentalrights.org
And for Ron,,I hope you use the mental health services at Hines to get some help.
Remember: You enlisted. Unlike your great Father and those before him who were drafted. And our Military provides the absolute best opportunities for Education, job placement and even a carrer in the military which if used to advance yourself in the Military ranks will prove to be quite lucrative. No where in the world is more done for military than here.
If you didn't do that Ron,,oh well, that was your choice. By the way I do speak 5 languages. Not a good argument.
Jerry Pech
9:08 am on Monday, March 21, 2011
Ron...I'd like to thank you not only for your service to this country, but to the community.
Not many people can say they have given as much time and effort as yourself to the youth of the community. Please do not let words of others bring you down. Your actions speak louder than thier words.
Thanks again.
cynthia
9:18 am on Monday, March 21, 2011
He uses profanity in a public forum that has to be removed by the moderator....And you encourage him..!!!!
So often our Military is the dumping ground for judges to keep young men out of the system..
And he is aroound youth...!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Oh my goodness.................
And you applaud him?????????????????? Name calling...Really....
Ron Garbett
7:06 pm on Monday, March 21, 2011
EXCUSE ME BUT MY FATHER HAS DEDICATED HIS LIFE TO ME AND MY FRIENDS WHO HE HAS COACHED SINCE WE WERE 5 AND 6 . ALSO I HAVE NEVER HEARD HIM SWEAR NOT ONCE AROUND ME AND MY FRIENDS. SO HOW ABOUT YOU MY FRIEND DO SOME REASEARCH ON WHO YOUR TALKING TO WHEN YOU TALK TO MY VERY WELL RESPECTED FATHER ITS A SHAME THAT YOU SPEAK OF HIM. I ALSO LOOK TOO FOLLOW RIGHT IN MY FATHER AND GRANDFATHERS STEPS TO BE IN THE MILITARY. HOORAH!!!!
Ron Garbett
7:07 pm on Monday, March 21, 2011
By the way this is his son Andrew not Ron
Ron Garbett
10:02 am on Monday, March 21, 2011
Cynthia,
Obviously no matter what anyone says you disagree or you are too ignorant to know. My grandfather and Father were never drafted so you’re wrong again, education I believe I have done well for myself and I love what I do. I am a very happy person unlike you. It seems that you are quick to point out all your accolades and accomplishments. Sounds like you are the one who needs mental health services. Though I wish to debate with you over any topic, there is one last thing I will say. You attacked the military, I responded on behalf of them, I know there are many out there that did want to reply but I beat them to the punch. You could not have lasted in my world, I feel a great HONOR to serve and to protect. Obviously you choose to be spiteful and vindictive. It does not matter what school you went to or where you are from. We are all humans and are flawed. Your words so far have been very attacking. I believe that there are problems in our schools and in our community. But I also believe there are people out there that take advantage of the situation.
Ron Garbett
10:03 am on Monday, March 21, 2011
Yes I am around youth because I believe we all should put what we do and LOVE back to our community. If you want to attack me please do not involve the youth of this community, I have spent countless hours of my personal time to help kids with sports. I have given up my time to what I love best coach. If you do not know me or know about me I believe you should. I feel in love with Grayslake many years ago and came back here in 1993 to get my family started. I have worked hard to keep my family in Grayslake because I felt they had some of the best School Districts around. They have their faults just like anywhere else. Lets work together to get solutions to our problems. The reason I replied to the comment was because it had nothing to do with the topic at hand and it was not fair fro CYNTHIA to attack them for no reason, she attacked what someone else put in their comments. The attacking has been mostly done by CYNTHIA but we are all guilty here provoked or not. CYNTHIA I hope you take your wisdom and your words and use it in the community, I would truly like to see you make a difference in the community but if you’re not up to that challenge I understand.
Ron Garbett
10:04 am on Monday, March 21, 2011
Thanks everyone for the comments now let’s move on and do something about all this talk.
I APOLOGIZE to all who have read my rant if I offended you with my words I am sorry, but I am from the school of "do not beat around the bush". For all you out there who know me you understand. If you consider what I said Name Calling then so be it. What Cynthia has said to others I believe has been worse? Marcia again thanks for the forum and I apologize to you the most. I will never use any bad language on here again.
This will be my last comment on this subject.
To all the men and women out there protecting my rights to write these things and to express my opinion I THANK YOU FROM THE BOTTOM OF MY SOUL>
CHARLIE MIKE
Thank You
Ron Garbett
Jerry Pech
10:27 am on Monday, March 21, 2011
No apologies need for me.
Bravo Zulu
Rich
11:16 am on Monday, March 21, 2011
Homer here again! Homer is also a vet. It was telling when vets were being ridiculed by the right. Do the tea partiers really hate their government and country that much that they ridiclue vets? My friends and neighbors are teachers and they are the good people in all of this. When you step back and hear the comments of those that are anti-union, one understands why teachers need unions. If left up to Gov. Walker and Carbone, teachers would be second class citizens. Homer is now going back to work in private business.
cynthia
12:23 pm on Monday, March 21, 2011
My Father was a Captain in Central Intelligence in England in WWII dont even think of lecturing me on Military. He too spoke 5 languages. Let me assure you I can explain more about the Military than all of you combined. Blame the world for all of your life choices. Man up for goodness sake.
For CSS,
Again you have not commented on the sopurces I have already provided. Is it because you cannot use the computer?? Thats it isn't it?? You don't know how to source material. What a small world to which you live..The world does not owe you an education. You need to take responsibilty and educate yourself..
Please provide once ounce of material source that says that Teachers unions help kids or the tax payer?
Your own GOD President Obama dosn't even send his kids to a public school? And of course we all hear about how horrible teachers are treated who teach at Charter Schools and private schools...Oh their civil rights are their human rights are beaten down everyday.
All over the news isn't it??? Arne Duncan dosn't send his kids to publi either. What does that tell you?
css
12:54 pm on Monday, March 21, 2011
Gee Cynthia...I don't recall ever saying anything about Obama, but I assure you, he is not my god. I also don't recall saying unions help kids. I'm not quite sure what "sopurces" are, but if you mean sources, I am very adept at finding the information I need. Whatever source I find will not be to your liking because I try to stick to the reality-based ones. My world is large enough, thank you. It, too, is reality-based. And by the way, my kids go to private school, as did I. You see, I don't disagree that public education is not up to par. I'm just not quite as close minded as you and not quite as quick to place blame.
Grayslake Resident
12:38 pm on Monday, March 21, 2011
I find it really interesting that this "conversation" started with "cynthia's" claim that "When you are being paid by the Tax payer you CANNOT participate in political issues"...and when pressed for support for that claim, she deflected the request with a bunch of nonsense, and, frankly, caused herself to look foolish. She continues to do so with her rants. On the one hand, I laugh at her posts, and as an informed citizen, I know how ridiculous her words are; on the other, I cheer on those who provoke her, so that she continues to embarrass herself and the candidates for whom she stands. I, for one, will be at the polls on April 5. I will NOT give my votes to Norris, who is accused of being complicit in Michael Carbone's alleged unprofessional, unethical behavior, nor to Evans, who is her running mate. I hope that fellow Patch readers care enough about our school district to be informed, make their own choices based on their own values, and show up at the polls on April 5.
cynthia
12:48 pm on Monday, March 21, 2011
This is exactly why we have an incompetence factor with politicians.
Oh I am going to vote for him because he seems NICE.
Oh I'll vote for her because she is so NICE.
Don't know any more than that but Hey, they seem nice.
What about: I have done the research and this candidate has proven themselves to actually be a leader, honest with good experience in politics. Voted this way on issues related to items I care about and that are important to me. They have abolished legislation and written new legislation which goes in line with what I believe. They have been successful in pulling people together and being a good communicator.
I have read numerous news articles from many different sources to get a good over all fair view point on the candidate.
Versus: well my neighbor says that this is a good candidate and they are good people so they must know what they are talking about. And after all I like how they look and they seem NICE
cynthia
12:54 pm on Monday, March 21, 2011
Grayslake fool of a resident.
Your own school board member has asked for material showing which teachers were not in school on the 22nd????
Why is he askeing for this information........For fun??
Or because the Teachers are going to be called to task.....Its going on all over Illinois...
You are exactly the type of voter to explain why we are in this mess.
Your so out of it its just amazing....Please confirm you have never been outside of Grayslake...Please..I am scared for the public...
2 schools in grayslake have failed AYP...want more of the same??? keep voiting like you have been..Property values will show the results
css
1:09 pm on Monday, March 21, 2011
Are you familiar with the term "sensationalist"? Or maybe "ambulance chaser"? Carbone is both. He pretends to be the hero who will come in and save the day. Look what I'm doing for all these fine tax payers! Give it a couple of years and see what his doing has done to the kids of Grayslake. The kids whose academic performance will decline, who will be passed by when colleges are sending out acceptance letters because there's nothing on their transcripts to indicate they have been provided with well rounded opportunities. District 127 won't be too happy to get kids from District 46 who have such a narrow education and falling test scores. But hey... it's ONLY education, right Cynthia. Nothing too important about that. Let's treat our teachers like second class citizens. That's sure to attract the best!
Jerry Pech
1:48 pm on Monday, March 21, 2011
Homer...I do not know you...but all same...From one vet to another...thank you for your service to this country.
css
2:39 pm on Monday, March 21, 2011
Cynthia should be outraged!-
"Wisconsin Republicans, from Scott Walker on down, have repeatedly justified their move to strip collective bargaining rights for state employees by claiming that the state is broke. However, this has not stopped them from giving a state job and a 36% raise to the 26-year-old girlfriend of Wisconsin state Senator Randy Hopper.
WKOW in Madison has the story:
A state worker with ties to Sen. Randy Hopper is being paid $11,000 more annually than her predecessor in a position at the department of regulation and licensing. State officials said the woman, 26, was hired to a limited term, communications specialist position last month, with a salary equivalent to $42,328 annually.
State officials Friday said the woman’s predecessor left the position in January, with a salary equivalent to $31,200 annually. No explanation was given for the new hire’s higher pay.
The woman in question is Valerie Cass, who Randy Hopper's estranged wife recently identified as Hopper's new girlfriend
Cynthia? You are most certainly outraged, right?
Grayslake Resident
2:48 pm on Monday, March 21, 2011
Here's more to fuel cynthia's outrage: Check out the Illinois Tea Party website, at http://www.illinoistea.or/illinoisissuesteams.html .
Please read the fifth paragraph, wherein the founder of one IL branch calls on all Tea Partiers to "Take that sick day, take the vacation day, get on the buses that should be coming from all over IL and make the stand..." Certainly cynthia will be OUTRAGED that Tea Partiers might be unethically taking a SICK DAY, and are being encouraged by Tea Party leaders to do so, in order to promote a political cause. Surely cynthia will take a stand on this one, as she has with teachers.
css
2:59 pm on Monday, March 21, 2011
Because we know she's not a hypocrite!
Grayslake Resident
3:08 pm on Monday, March 21, 2011
http://www.illinoistea.org/illinoisissuesteams.html
Perhaps this link will work better...certainly cynthia will want to look into this and go on a rant about those unethical Tea Partiers...
Carl
4:03 pm on Monday, March 21, 2011
The 22nd of February followed a holiday when school was closed. Many teachers plan personal days to coincide with those and they have to be approved in advance. Additionally, calling in sick to extend a holiday makes a teacher ineligible for the paid holiday the sick day extends. Administration can make a call on that, I'm guessing with proper documentation, and I doubt that would include a doctor's excuse from an MD on staff at UW-M. So if a teacher did have the "Blue Flu" on the 22nd, the district would get the money back in a non-paid holiday. BTW...didn't Carbone-head get his question answered? Wasn't he told that 18 were out which was considered below average?
css
4:23 pm on Monday, March 21, 2011
That's similar to the number I heard.
Rich
4:42 pm on Monday, March 21, 2011
Homer here again. Thanks to Ron and Jerry for service to our country. I can see that Cynthia used the term honest when she described the people she votes for. Did she forget that Carbone lied to enter a system meant for employees? But, Homer is most encouraged by those that have stood up to Cynthia and support American working men and women. Cynthia causes me some amusement, but her views, research and alleged facts makes Homer worry. And what was that all about when Cynthia made fun of a person's major? Homer enjoys the arts. Oh, by the way, Homer was drafted!
Grayslake Resident
5:32 pm on Monday, March 21, 2011
Mr. Froehlig, apparently you have missed some of the facts: there were 18 teachers who were out that day, which not an unusual number. In addition, I stand firmly in my belief that even if EVERY SINGLE teacher in the district took their rightful personal days on that day and went to Wisconsin at their own choosing, it would have been within their rights to do so...at no more expense to the children of Grayslake than if they used their personal days on any other given day of the school year (as they otherwise do) for a doctor appointment, or what have you...assuming that in my imagined example, the district would have been able to procure that many substitute teachers. It should be of ZERO concern where the teachers were, what they were doing, and how they spent their personal time, as long as they were using their personal days. End of story.
css
5:47 pm on Monday, March 21, 2011
Golly. you're so naive!. Obviously these nefarious teachers just want to take a day off at the expense of the students they obviously care nothing about (because we all know people go into teaching solely for the money) and go partay up in Wisconsin! If they can cause a dangerous riot where scores of people are injured (or better yet, killed), all the better (be sure to watch Fox, now)! Gosh, such a selfish bunch of indulgent, spoiled democrats!
Grayslake Resident
5:42 pm on Monday, March 21, 2011
Further, I'd think that as a journalist, you'd be sure to understand the information and all sides of an issue before taking a stance--but apparently not. The link to the Reinvestment and Recovery Act information is there because of a controversy in our district that goes back to December, 2010, when the superintendent, unwisely in my opinion, dispersed federal Education Jobs Fund dollars in ways that outraged the community. Though she acted completely within the guidelines--and I presume the link is on the website to provide proof of just that--it was a terrible PR move at a time when residents were already upset by the tax levy. The link leads to a document that details how the Ed Fund dollars may be spent. Quite simply put: your inclination to jump to conclusions regarding some sort of subterfuge and union pandering is discrediting you.
css
6:30 pm on Monday, March 21, 2011
Meant to say choose up there, Tim. "Whomever you choose." Darn print is too small for my old eyes.
Grayslake Resident
6:47 pm on Monday, March 21, 2011
Personal attacks? I don’t think my above statements qualify as such.
Screen name? Irrelevant. I choose to protect my privacy.
Your awards? Irrelevant.
Affiliation with Grayslake Patch? I never mentioned it.
Your post that teachers have the right to do whatever they want? Not quite in agreement with your statement that teachers who might attend a rally are doing so “at the mass-planned expense of a large number of children who expect their teachers to show up and help them learn, only to have a large number of them duck out because they feel supporting a union that ISN'T EVEN IN THEIR STATE is more important than the educational needs of our district's school children.” Sort of at odds, wouldn’t you agree, with your earlier statement (which was surrounded by plenty of anti-teacher rhetoric, by the way)? (Continued, below)
Grayslake Resident
6:48 pm on Monday, March 21, 2011
“…teaching my child anything other than the specified curriculum…”…What? A new issue to address? Are there teachers not teaching the appropriate curriculum? I’m not sure where this statement comes from.
“..a sad statement about the the teaching community”, to say that 18 teachers being out was not unusual (actually, that was my wording, not ‘normal’)…If it were 18 out of 20 teachers, perhaps that might be disappointing. Do you know how many staff members the district employs? The quote that 18 absent teachers is “not unusual” comes from the inquiring board member himself. Teachers…they are human…they have lives, and families, and illnesses, and appointments outside of school…and if there were 18 teachers out on that day due to sick days or personal days, I’m not sure how that can be construed as any sort of “sad statement about the teaching community”.
As I did above with ‘cynthia,” I’ll respectfully bow out of further communication with you. We can agree to disagree.
Blaze
9:39 pm on Monday, March 21, 2011
I would like to meet Cynthia in person. I am myself a military veteran, as is my husband, his father (career), his grandfather (WWII vet), and my step-father. My husban and I are both also college educated and I am furthering my education past a BA. I volunteer for the park district as a volunteer coach. My kids are happily thriving in D46 and D127 schools and have used some of the special education programs made available. I was never talked down to or told I'm on my own. It is Cynthia a collective team effort though in children's education between the teacher and parent. You can't expect the teachers to raise your kids while you are on this web site. Ladies in all the school offices, I have never been treated with anything but respect (you have to give respect to get it Cynthia). Ron Garbett, thank you for your service to our country and as one of my sons basketball coaches. I have never heard you swear in front of the parents or children. Finally, if any of the 18 teachers absent that infamous day were in Wisconsin, I say hope you enjoyed your day! Afterall, Cynthia, even your father received leave in the military! Have a Great Day Cynthia, St. John's Wart Helps!
Long time resident
9:44 pm on Monday, March 21, 2011
Long time resident.
I was at the school board meeting. I was truly embarrassed to be a Grayslake resident. The Tea Party was out of control the entire three hours. They showed their ignorance and stupidity to be honest. They don't seem to know right from wrong. They are on a speeding train to disaster. They were there for a lynching and when that didn't happen, they ran in circles. They attacked anyone they could. One of the woman joked about her skinny jeans which was in poor taste. Such behavior is a major embarrassment to the community. Michael Carbone should be removed from the board. Plain and simple. He and Ms. Norris need to understand that what they did is a crime. To hack into the school district's system is a crime. Tim, you should know better. You know right from wrong. You should be on this big time. Do you tea party members not understand that property taxes cannot be lowered or stopped? That has nothing to do with Mrs. Garcia. I didn't know that much about the local Tea Party. However, after watching them in action at the meeting, you can bet that I will not back them for anything in this community. After seeing your behavior and stupidity, you can bet I am going to vote for Mrs. Garcia! As for the REAL people above, keep up the good work. Next, the members of the tea party that were at the meeting will show up on the Jerry Springer show. That is their mentality. Truly. HOW embarrassing. Take your circus and go elsewhere.
Jack
11:51 pm on Monday, March 21, 2011
Cynthia,
I just red all of you're posts. And your so right!!!!! These teacher unions are trampling are constitution. Their the same draft dodgers who would vote an organizer into the white house. We don't need an organizer!!!! We need an organ buyer!!! Or at leas we will if we let the unions bleed us dry. And then our organs won't be worth the paper they're written on.
And what's next? Librarians?
css
4:55 am on Tuesday, March 22, 2011
Tim, it appears that either you or someone else has deleted a number of your posts. i hope that was your doing because no one else the right to do that. What you said was not offensive, however, I do disagree with several of your points. As you say, I don't have the facts, but I would think district union e-mails involving district union teachers would be permissible. How else would news be disseminated? I really have no idea about emailing for the purpose of an organized "sick day", but I would think that although not particularly smart, it's not illegal either.i also believe teachers do get a break at some point during the school day, and if they want to conduct personal business at that time, I don't object. i would love to see information that there was a wide-scale march up to Wisconsin if that's the case. Again, what teachers do on their time is not my business, and personal/sick days IS their personal time. But if the accusations are being made that that occurred, why not let the people know? But I suggest you have absolute proof that those teachers WERE in Wisconsin. I'd also like some proof that the students of these teachers were harmed in some way by their teachers missing one day. And again, I'd like to know the average number of teacher absences on any given day in both D46 and other comparable districts. As a journalist, wouldn't it be your duty to get ALL the facts- on both sides?
Grayslake Resident
6:41 am on Tuesday, March 22, 2011
The 912 Patriots and the Tea Party are nearly synonymous. They are a group within a group. Check out their websites. On the Lake County Tea Party website, a link to the "912 Patriots" is listed under the heading "Tea Party Websites". The reason so many of us on this board refer to the Tea Party is simple, for those who understand what happened at last week's meeting: Michael Carbone (whose alleged actions, let us not forget, are the origins of this very discussion) is listed as a 2010 Board Member of the Lake County Tea Party, and several outspoken speakers in support of Michael Carbone and his alleged wrongdoing that evening were Lennie Jarratt, Lake County Tea Party founder, and his wife, Lisa, as well as Paul Mitchell, Lake County Tea Party Board Member. It's quite reasonable to believe, given the rhetoric, that those Tea Party views are what compelled Mr. Carbone to seek information regarding teachers' activities on February 12.
css
7:54 am on Tuesday, March 22, 2011
I think any time a group includes "patriot" in their title, it's a euphemism for nationalist. I don't doubt the Tea Party's influence on Carbone's tactics. The ends clearly justify the means here, whether the facts are distorted or completely false. All Carbone had to do was put the idea out there that district teachers were going to Wisconsin, so whether true or false, the people would run with it. Without any proof, people now believe the teachers have done something wrong, and therefore, the teachers have been unduly convicted.
Carl
6:53 am on Tuesday, March 22, 2011
It appears that this thread has run its course. Clearly, the majority are preaching to the choir. I also believe that this "majority" is representative of the community. Please take your energy to the street, to your friends and to the polls. The only way to stop this nonsense is to keep these destructive forces off our school board. Yes, it's a lesser-of-two-evils choice, but Carbone-head's group brings nothing to the table in the best interest of public education...baby steps for now.
Business owner in Grayslake
3:17 pm on Tuesday, March 22, 2011
Business owner in Grayslake
My wife suggested that I attend the school board meeting that just took place. We have heard that the tea party had appeared on our door steps and were creating scenes in the community. I went there with an open mind. What I saw was in deed a circus as one of the previous posts stated. I recognized some of the tea party members. I know of Mr. Carbone and he is indeed an "ambulance chaser". He has a need to draw attention to himself as much as he possibly can. He tends to draw in vulnerable people in the community who are like the people that are now members of the tea party. Did you people actually see yourselves on the video afterwards is one of the questions I ask? Did you see the circus that you indeed did create? I hope you were embarrassed. Carl, you have a much bigger problem. The tea party has now entered your life bigtime via the circus that attended that meeting. You really think they give a hoot about your child. Come on. They will sit on that board and they will make sure your child's education is reduced to nothing. Ms. Norris hasn't even been elected to anything and she is already committing crimes. With the help of the tea party founder and his wife, the Jarrets. Their behavior was truly an embarrassment to Grayslake. This is who will be in charge of your child's education. Good luck. I am going to think seriously about my business being in Grayslake after seeing the tea party in action.
Carl
4:38 pm on Tuesday, March 22, 2011
Hey Biz...
That was a quote from the award winning journalist...he's the one that made the veiled threat; not me. I'm with you!
Marcia Sagendorph
4:21 pm on Tuesday, March 22, 2011
Readers,
This original story (way back when) has generated an impassioned debate - which is great. At times, however, the debate has disintegrated into name calling, personal attacks and broad and unfair general assumptions against teachers, the government and the military. This is unacceptable. I do not want anyone to feel uncomfortable coming to this site, or commenting on a story. The tone of this discussion has unfortunately caused that to happen. Several posts have been removed, as some of you have noticed. Some were removed by the people who posted the comments, and others were removed by me. I will not allow profanity, or veiled or overt threats being posted against any person or group. I want for everyone to share opinions and learn from each other about issues that are important to our families and our community. Let's stay focused on the issues. Thanks,
Marcia, editor of Grayslake Patch
Carl
4:40 pm on Tuesday, March 22, 2011
Ya think?
Rich
4:27 pm on Tuesday, March 22, 2011
Homer here! It appears this has just about run its course. Business owner and all the rest of you writers that have commented favorably on the teachers and quality education, I salute you. You have renewed my faith in my neighbors in that I know there is good in my town. The Tea Party and all they represent is still a force that we all have to be wary of. I was a little down when we elected a Tea Party Congressman, but this story has lifted my spirits. Speaking of Spirits, Homer needs to go to The Vine.
Carl
4:35 pm on Tuesday, March 22, 2011
See you there in an hour! Is Homer buyin?
;)
css
5:11 pm on Tuesday, March 22, 2011
This is a very important issue and I'm quite concerned about what will happen should Carbone et, al. take over the board. If they want to spend the absolute minimum, that's what they'll get. How do they expect to get quality when they offer nothing in return? Capitalism is all about paying top dollar for quality, isn't it? That's why CEOs make so much money, right? You get what you pay for, and if you're not willing to pay for the education of our children, the future of this country, then there's something wrong.
Andrea Johnson
5:12 pm on Tuesday, March 22, 2011
Hey Carl - considering YOU were the one who appeared to be making veiled threats against KIDS on this site before it appears someone removed your posts, I would shut my mouth if I were you. Sick people like yourself that have nothing better to do than come on a webite and post about how you are going out drinking after an elementary school district story have major major issues. Seriously dude, get a life! How pathetic!
Carl
7:37 pm on Tuesday, March 22, 2011
Andrea...I removed no post and made no threat; veiled or otherwise. I did quote the direct threat from the award winning journalist that went off on a wild rant...that's what the "quote" marks were for. I'm sorry that wasn't clear as another drew the same conclusion. Trust me; no one here is any more for the kids and teachers than I...sorry for the misunderstanding.
Andrea Johnson
10:36 pm on Tuesday, March 22, 2011
Why is District 46 school board president Mary Garcia's husband hired as both the janitor AND the wrestling coach? Was anyone aware of this nonsense and blatant nepotism? Especially when the schedules have the potential to overlap, and could also cause taxpers to pay overtime to a THIRD party if they do also? The people of this district better wake up real quick. Not to mention you hae a link to an Obama Administration's web site on the District 46 web site, here's proof! http://ww2.d46.org/boe.asp
Andrea Johnson
11:01 pm on Tuesday, March 22, 2011
Here is a link to a MUCH more complete, honest and accurate account of what went on that night. http://triblocal.com/grayslake/2011/03/17/supporters-and-critics-of-carbone-in-d46/ People need to stop believing everything that the board president's supporters are posting on here, because according to a real journalistic site, these allegations are possibly being FABRICATED by Garcia and her supporters! If true, this woman IS the real problem everyone!
css
4:33 am on Wednesday, March 23, 2011
Andrea- I do not condone all the actions of the school board or its president, however, I saw the meeting. Carbone is not a victim here. He has brought this on himself. I don't believe for a minute he actually cares about the tax payers or the children of Grayslake. His "fiscal responsibility", and the "fiscal responsibility" of others who think educators make too much money and are to blame for the economic condition this country is in right now are truly either corporate cronies or misinformed to the point of delusion. For those of you who are Tea Party supporters, or 912 Patriots, I suggest you do some research into the Koch brothers and the politicians who began this "grass roots" effort If you care to see what's right in front of your face, you'll see that the people are the last thing they care about. Educators are not the enemy.
Carl
6:56 am on Wednesday, March 23, 2011
The district superintendent's daughter is also a teacher in the district (I hear she's great, but I sure feel sorry for her colleagues). Just because there is a relationship doesn't mean aren't the best person for the job; however, this is a classic example of why tenure was put in place. Back in the day, the board, mayor, superintendent, etc. would fire the long standing school-marm so they could put their family member in place. Can you imagine the shenanigans if they didn't have tenure protection today?
As for the board, as long as the anti-teacher sentiment expressed on this board exists in the community, a pro-teacher/education mix is crucial. And no matter who the choice, the rabble-rousers will cry "conflict".
Andrea Johnson
8:14 am on Wednesday, March 23, 2011
Seriously Carl, who cares? All you've come on this site and done the past few days is insult people, maked a subtle threat about someone's kid, and then had the nerve to insult one of the most repsetced people in the community. Who cares what you think? You sit here and call others rabble-rousers when you and CSS (who by the way apparently have nothing better to do at 4 and 6:30 in the morning) come on here and make insults to everyone who posts thier OPINIONS, while also talking about drinking after a story about public schools. That's a true lack of class if I've ever seen it.
css
8:59 am on Wednesday, March 23, 2011
Wow, i've insulted you by stating MY opinions. So it's okay to give an opinion if YOU agree with it? Okay then... And I enjoy being awake in the early morning. Sorry if that offends you too, however, I fail to see how that's any of your concern.
Carl
10:04 am on Wednesday, March 23, 2011
I've made no threats...especially to innocent children! I quoted a threat made to teachers by the award winning journalist and suggested that probably wasn't the smartest thing to do, but that's my opinion. What respected person did I insult? The award winning journalist that either removed, or had removed, all of his ranting posts; threats inclusive? I apologized to you for our misunderstanding...publicly.
Jerry Pech
8:29 am on Wednesday, March 23, 2011
Carl...two of my kids had Ms. Correll's daughter as a teacher....and I was very pleased.
As far as shenanigans go...you'll always have them.
Carl
10:08 am on Wednesday, March 23, 2011
Like I said...I heard she was great...and wouldn't it have been a pity if your kids didn't get that opportunity because someone cried nepotism?
My point about her colleagues was only that it would be tough to be on a team with the bosses daughter, but hey...that's me...just sayin'...
Rich
11:48 am on Wednesday, March 23, 2011
Homerhere again. Sorry Carl. It was I, Homer, that went to have an adult beverage after I wrote a post. Now if I wrote the post after the adult beverage, then that may of been a problem. And no, you did not threaten the award winng journalist. This is how the Tea Party operates. Backward logic. Now since it is the middle of the day, Homer needs lunch, and I will have a soft drink with it. Homer does not like tea!
Kristy Anderson
4:28 pm on Wednesday, March 23, 2011
Can I just say I LOVE Homer!
cynthia
5:43 pm on Wednesday, March 23, 2011
Thank you Andrea and Tim and Marilyn.
As we can all see here these are Teachers plain and simple. I have had the exact same thing happen on other Boards. What I have found is that most of them are actually all the same person. Someone selected by the School Board or the Administrators to go out and spread rummors. Most parents feel threatned by school staff if they complain about issues related to their childs education.
I stand by what I said in some of my original posts. Just go to Illinois Report cart adn search by school district and you will see the results. If anyone thinks a few points of improvement mean something..They don't. Illinois is already so far down on school performance that a few points are nothing.
Teachers are public employees responsible to the Tax payer. And yes, their paid time off IS MY BUSINESS..You don't like it..TOO BAD>>
We have a 25% growth in Home schooling because we can get a better on line free Education than many public schools offer. All for free. You can stream this to your T.V. all for free.
The day of reconing is comming when the Tax payer says...No MORE....Go to Parental Rights.org and link into The CHILD Documentry..Or Google "SChool Choice"
Parent Trigger law.
And so many many movements to redefine Public Education. Why?/ all this time effort and money being spent on all this change?/
According to all of you it dosn't need fixing....I guess it wouldn't if we only planned on having our future generations go into the military.
css
7:14 pm on Wednesday, March 23, 2011
Perhaps you were home schooled. Maybe that would explain your written language difficulties. I am not a teacher. I have neither the skill nor the patience required. I also prefer to be appropriately compensated for the work I do. I must say, I really LOVE the way you capitalize "teacher" ... really expresses the hatred you feel for your fellow human beings. Hey, you want free education? More power to you. Let me ask you a question- just out of curiosity- how old is the Earth? Five, six thousand years old? Is that the type of wonderful education you would provide? Global warming? Can't possibly be real, right? 4 + 4 equals ... what? Your turn! Oh by the way, I suppose teachers are supposed to fix all the sociological problems of each and every one of their students. The economic background they're coming from too. Demographics aren't important. And those ELL students who are still basically leaning English? No problem! Special Ed. kids? A snap! Gosh, what an easy, cushy job these teachers have. Maybe I could be one!
Andrea Johnson
7:40 pm on Wednesday, March 23, 2011
CSS: You said "And those ELL students who are still basically leaning English?"
1. What a racist statement! About KIDS nonetheless. WOW.
2. Maybe teachers wouldn't have to worry about their students understanding English if the Obama Administration would actually take a stance against illegal immigration which is overcrowding our schools and burdening our tax system in our schools beyond belief in some placed.
3. You said: "I suppose teachers are supposed to fix all the sociological problems of each and every one of their students. The economic background they're coming from too." Another hateful statement against people with less money or opportunity than you. Man I hope you aren't a teacher CSS, despite your claims otherwise. You sit and repeatedly complain about how difficult being a teacher is. Here's an idea, if people don't like it, DON'T BE A TEACHER!! No one if FORCING YOU TO.
4. Teachers should know that their job is challenging, and part of the joy of that is the challenge and how you can positively impact the lives of kids no matter how difficult. I know young kids that are in other school districts in the northern suburbs and the curriculum taught by this district is in some cases, HERE, is two years BEHIND THEM.
5. CSS, thanks for being the "Grammar King." Nothing reeks of arrogance more than pointing out the minor typological deficincies of others while also making racist statements of your own. Real mature.
css
8:05 pm on Wednesday, March 23, 2011
I'm sorry, but I fail to see how stating that ELL kids are still learning English is racist. Could you please explain? Last I heard, ELL stands for English Language Learner. It used to be ESL, which stood for English Second Language. So I'm really not sure how my statement is racist. regardless, when students who are not as proficient in English are taught in English and tested in English, I'd say that would put a damper on those ISAT scores. And if you don't believe poverty plays a role in school performance, you are hugely mistaken. Again, I fail to see how my comment was offensive. But I find offensive your remark that ELL kids must be illegal aliens. I also am not surprised that you would mention Obama despite the fact that Bush, Clinton, Bush, Reagan, etc. did pretty much nothing before him. But hey, it's easy to blame, isn't it? One more thing- yes, i believe teachers go into the profession happy to take on the challenge of teaching. Who would think that the politicians and the community's own residents would make the challenge so unappealing.
Carl
8:31 pm on Wednesday, March 23, 2011
It seems many posting here need to repeat their high school government classes. To think that a teacher is accountable to the taxpayer is certainly not democracy. Teachers are accountable to their principals who in turn are accountable to the superintendent who is accountable to the board. Now...the taxpayer has their say, but with their vote; and only with their vote. Works the same way in business. You own a couple hundred shares of Ford, you can give your proxy to someone you feel shares your point of view on the board, but you certainly don't get to have your say in the engineering. You don't like their cars? Sell your stock and buy a Honda. You don't like the way the district is run? Move for crying out loud! That, or vote to get the board you want. But if your candidate should lose, that means your community doesn't share your values...you're either in the wrong place or have the wrong point of view for the place you're in.
css
9:08 pm on Wednesday, March 23, 2011
Then again, Carl, a candidate could win because the majority of voters were just too apathetic to vote. Hence, the results of the 2010 elections. It's a little late for those in Wisconsin, Ohio, Florida, and New Jersey to be crying buyer's remorse.
css
9:14 pm on Wednesday, March 23, 2011
Oh, and Michigan too. Dreadfully bad governor in that state now.
Carl
10:30 pm on Wednesday, March 23, 2011
If you don't vote, unfortunately, you don't count...or get counted.
Grayslake Business owner
9:27 pm on Wednesday, March 23, 2011
Folks, the person named Cynthia is a troll on this board and others. It is best to ignore this person. Cynthia is a disgruntled tea party member who demands attention to herself on this board. In the Grayslake restaurant this morning, people were discussing the tea party "founder" here and that neither he nor his wife have kept a job in years. That they live off the government. That they are angry tax payers that try to lynch anyone and everyone they can. Is is true they homeschool their children? And are angry that they have to pay taxes and this is what it is all about? Is it true that they are getting handouts in any way they can? After last week's board meeting, I have been listening to what people in the community are saying. And the behavior and history of the tea party members is very serious. We need to open our eyes to what they are doing in our community. I have tried to keep an open mind, however, their behavior is embarrassing and damaging to our community.
Terri
10:49 pm on Wednesday, March 23, 2011
last one
http://roundlakebeach.il.public-record.com/#12
Andrea Johnson
5:33 am on Thursday, March 24, 2011
Grayslake Business Onwer accused the tea Party of living off the government. That's the funniest lie I've heard in ages. Last I checked it was the socialist liberals that seemed to have a knack for doing that and the Tea Party that was preaching fiscal responsibility. I love how people, especially those with a liberal agenda just make things up here. No wonder Walsh won the election for congress....people are tired of the Democratic party's dangerous lies and hateful words. These liberals become more and more radical and hateful by the day.
Brad Faxton
6:11 am on Thursday, March 24, 2011
Here is the other cool thing about the Internet. It was a way of tracking the source and destination of everything. For example, I'm on my iPhone posting to, oh I don't know, a website. I login to the website as "billy-bob" then post. Being a crafty person, I wander over to my desktop machine, go to the same website and login as "mary-sue" then reply to "billy-bob". Guess what, the source is exactly the same. There aren't any duplicate sources (in this very rudimentary example).
Pretty awesome, eh? Oh, and the "logs" of this happening don't ever go away. If I were "mary-sue" or "billy-bob" I would be worried. It just takes a reporter and some poking around to figure these things out.
Andrea - the reason Joe won was because of the few thousand votes for the 'green' party candidate.
Marcia Sagendorph
11:23 pm on Wednesday, March 23, 2011
Andrea, I deleted your last comment because I have said repeatedly that I do not want this to be a place where people call each other names or insult one another. While others have strongly disagreed with each other, you are now blatantly insulting people. That is unacceptable and will not be tolerated. Please refrain from doing so in the future. Thank you.
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css
4:39 am on Thursday, March 24, 2011
Marcia- while I appreciate your position of having to determine what is appropriate for public viewing, and thank you for your sensibility, comments such as Andrea's should be seen. Her point of view is shared by many, and by allowing her to show the residents of Grayslake what these folks are really about, it gives those others a reason to do something about it (like vote). It is just my opinion, but SHE is the radical and does not represent the will of the people. But if the people don't have a cause, they will not speak their voices to fight against those who do. The Tea Party and other ultra conservatives have their cause and do something about it. It's time people see what their cause really is.
Andrea Johnson
5:29 am on Thursday, March 24, 2011
Insults or not, what I said was the truth before it was deleted. Anyone who doesn't agree with these people's ultra liberal agendas are called names or worse. I'm not a Tea Party member, as you have accused me of being, but I can now see why people in that party are fed up. Because they have to continue to deal with slanderous comments that are bold-faced lies like the ones you have repeatedly spouted off about above. Perhaps the Tea Party continues to be conservative because they actually preach fiscal responsibility, something the liberals on this board and on that school board seem to care little about. And Marcia, I guess it's okay for them to call people "radical," a "troll" or make racially charged statements like they did above? Don't worry, on election day you'll all see what people really think, and from polls I've read it's bad news for Garcia, the liberals and the rest of her nepotism-based cronies. I've never been a Tea Party member but the way you come on here and repeatedly attack their or anyone's thoughts and ideas like you are the thought police speaks more about you and your ideals than it does theirs. If people don't agree with people like CSS they are called names or worse. And I and others are fed up with it. If you can't take it, don't dish it out. It's funny, you can always spot a liberal when they can't take the same heat they are dishing out.
css
6:12 am on Thursday, March 24, 2011
"Fiscal responsibility", Andrea, is the rich CEO's code phrase for tax cuts for the wealthy and tax increases for the poor and middle class. Please do some homework and you may see that. And my apologies for sounding arrogant, but I'm hazarding the guess that I'm in a higher tax bracket than you. I have nothing against paying for the services this country provides. That includes police protection, protection from fire, safe roads and bridges, etc. Things that benefit the whole, not just the individual.
Carl
7:02 am on Thursday, March 24, 2011
Actually, Brad, your iPhone and your desktop would have different IP addresses (unless you were using your iPhone on your wireless network); however, two alias' on the same device would provide the result you describe. As for a reporter collecting your information, the "Patch" has a strict privacy policy against it (see next post).
Carl
7:02 am on Thursday, March 24, 2011
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Brad Faxton
7:33 am on Thursday, March 24, 2011
All IP packets bound for the Internet are housed at large data warehouses (not accessible to you and I) and saved forever. You will have to trust me when I tell you, "mary-sue" or "billy-bob" need to stop trolling. Bottom line, you win.
Rich
10:04 am on Thursday, March 24, 2011
Homer back for another comment. Again, great to hear those supporting quality public education. Homer knows a little about elections. Never lost one and I've been in 8 of them. Some of the comments from the right have been bizarre. We still come back to Carbone lying and being unethical and those that encourage this bad behavior. Grayslake is filled with good citizens and we know that Carbone will not be rewarded with more allies on the board. Homer will now get invloved but first, I need some Starbuck's!
Carl
10:25 am on Thursday, March 24, 2011
Let me know how I can help!
(make mine grande)