Sheriff's Office Releases Gun Permit for Sikh Temple Shooter

The investigation into the shooting at the Wisconsin Sikh Temple continues, and police in North Carolina have released the gun permit of the suspected shooter, Wade Michael Page.

The spokesman for the Cumberland County, North Carolina Sheriff's Office has posted redacted gun permits dated in 2008 for Wade Michael Page, identified by authorities as the suspect in Sunday's Wisconsin Sikh temple shootings.

Page, an Army veteran, .

Police on Monday said one gunman was responsible for the Sunday shooting that left seven people dead at the Sikh Temple of Wisconsin in Oak Creek: Wade Michael Page, a 40-year-old Army veteran.

The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel reported that Page was attached to the Fort Bragg base in North Carolina. Three bodies were found outside the temple at 7512 S. Howell Ave. and four were inside the building. Among the deceased is the gunman, who apparently acted alone.

The five permits issued are good for five years. According to the North Carolina Rifle & Pistol Association, all handgun transfers in North Carolina require that the intended recipient obtain a Pistol Purchase Permit from his/her local Sheriff. 

One Pistol Purchase Permit is required per handgun at $5 apiece. When the owner takes possession of the handgun, they must present the permit to the seller, who must keep it in his or her records. It is a Class 1 misdemeanor if the transaction takes place without the permit being presented.

There is a vigil at the Sikh Temple in Palatine at 7:30 p.m. tonight.

David Greenberg August 22, 2012 at 10:28 PM
It's illegal to threaten anyone, let alone the President of the United States. So by definition, the moron doing so is a criminal. If you can't understand that....
Brian L. August 22, 2012 at 10:41 PM
But you have now broadened out to inventions that used some technologies from guns, but you should be intelligent enough to realize those don't have bearings on this argument. A nail gun is a nail gun. You aren't shooting bullets, you are framing your wall...or whatever construction project you do. You also require some sort of compressor to work it and unless you are standing next to the person, the nail won't do much damage. Your other nail gun, for concrete framing isn't a projectile either. For most to work you have to have them on a hard surface while applying ample pressure to avoid kick. And you said it yourself, that perhaps it could have a secondary nefarious use which means it's first use isn't to kill or injure. Are you going to start to describe what paint ball and cap guns are for too or are you going to answer my actual question about the guns this debate is about and what they were invented for? And your description isn't a secondary use. Its something you see as a benefit from their first and intended use, as a threat to inflict harm or death. An example would be your argument involving cars. Yes, one of their many secondary uses can be to cause death, but we all know that their primary use is as a transportation device. Two distinctly different uses. For all your grandstanding about more guns saving lives, it doesn't just magically work. Their are plenty of guns in major cities and people still risk getting shot to shoot others.
Brian L. August 22, 2012 at 10:47 PM
I would assume you knew what I meant with common items. You will find a toaster in many more houses then you would find a gun. Sheer numbers of guns doesn't equate to being a common household item. And yes, people who use tools in the wrong manner probably know how to use them. But they still try and manipulate it a different way that can lead to bad results. That's why we have some very idiotic warnings on things like toasters and not using them in the bathtub. And if you are saying that people don't use guns to cut grass, why are using that to tell me a gun has many uses?
Bruce Harvey August 23, 2012 at 04:35 AM
David, Since the guy threatening the Prez hasn't been convicted of anything I would say he is just another nut who plays with guns.
David Greenberg August 23, 2012 at 05:20 PM
The guy threatening the President has been charged with just that crime. It has a sentence of 5 yrs in prison. So he hasn't been convicted yet, but arrested. You could have stopped with "he is just another nut." and you would have been just spot on.
Bruce Harvey August 23, 2012 at 08:16 PM
David, Can't Just leave it that he's a nut---no problem there. Look how many times you & I have been called a nut on these threads. BIG PROBLEM is he's got guns---see a common theme---Too many people with guns!
Bruce Harvey August 24, 2012 at 03:00 PM
Good Morning Gun Fans, I see another fan was out this morning playing with his guns in New York. Too bad some silly shoppers, workers & tourist got in his way---he was having so much fun exercising his 2nd Adm rights. Looks like some fans in Chicago let 8 people get in their way while doing some target practice on Stony Island Ave.---Silly people!!!
RationalTht August 24, 2012 at 04:20 PM
You mean, NYC, where guns are heavily restricted? That explains a lot. The same can be said for Chicago. You are naming places where "government" is hindering law-abiding citizens from having guns while doing nothing to stop the criminals. Want to make a wager on whether the Chicago killer(s) had FOID cards and had gone though Chicago's training / registration requirements.
Brian L. August 24, 2012 at 04:38 PM
You can pick and choose, but the truth is that these events are happening nationwide. AZ has some of the loosest gun laws and a man still managed to kill 6 people and injure another 14 before unarmed citizens stopped him. The events are also getting greater attention from people like me because in most of these recent cases all the guns had been purchased legally by people with previously clean records. I won't comment on the New York shooting yet because it's too recent and facts are always fuzzy this close to the event, but the CO shooter, the AZ shooter and the WI shooter "slipped" through cracks because they hadn't done enough in the eyes of our current laws to question their gun ownership.
Bruce Harvey August 24, 2012 at 04:38 PM
Hello, Irrational---you can shove FOID cards & all the well meaning laws to try & protect us. As I keep saying it's simple--- we have too many guns in everyones hands. EVERY gun started out legal---problem is that with so many in the country they pop up everywhere. What's next---Willis Tower, Hancock or your local 7/11---hope you're not there!!! Guns=30,000 deaths a year! What's your # before we say ENOUGH???
David Greenberg August 24, 2012 at 04:39 PM
Bruce, you continue to be as melodramatic as ever. In New York - a criminal shot some people. Interestingly enough - New York has some hefty restrictions on firearms - so just like Chicago, only the law-abiding are disarmed. And in Chicago - more criminals shooting at more criminals in a gang war, in a city that has extreme gun restrictions. Gun control doesn't work because criminals don't care. The only thing that works? More guns in the hands of LAW-ABIDING people.
David Greenberg August 24, 2012 at 04:50 PM
And these events will continue to happen worldwide because people have been finding ways to kill each other since time immemorial. It's not a 'good thing', but it's a fact of life and removing the ability of the law-abiding to defend themselves isn't going to make a bit of difference. When these events occur, we need to prosecute the criminals and move on.
David Greenberg August 24, 2012 at 04:55 PM
How many people are killed by cars? They're popping up everywhere! What's your number before we say "enough" to cars? I mean, besides the obvious pedestrian v. vehicle tragedies, we have people who die from lung disease from pollution created by cars. Cancers caused by fuel and oil used in cars. People who get killed or injured in accidents with trucks that are transporting fuel and oil for cars. People who get killed or injured in accidents with trucks transporting parts for cars. And on and on and on... Somehow I think that if we went back to horses and buggies, we'd still have accidents with pedestrians, and stagecoaches which were transporting goods to the General Stores could occasionally break a wheel and flip over and kill someone too... Focus on the person misusing the firearm - not the firearm.
Brian L. August 24, 2012 at 07:34 PM
And we are now trying to to do things to help lower emissions and cut down on some of those carcinogens (with more backlash from the right.) And you also refuse to ever acknowledge that guns are made to kill and cars are made to transport. Both items have other uses but those are primary. You advocate all this safety but for everything you say, people will still die by gunfire. If the criminal shoots them, if the "law abiding" shoots them, or if the CC permit holder shoots them (criminal or not.) On top of that, nothing you say has any bearing on the people dying in DC or Chicago's poorer areas. More guns will never equal less deaths in places like that.
Bruce Harvey August 24, 2012 at 08:05 PM
David , I give up---you're trying to tie cars to guns is just unbelieveably stupid. WE have been adding guns by the millions in the last 40 years & gun deaths have kept going up. How can any smart person fail to see the connection---UNLESS they want to.
Bruce Harvey August 24, 2012 at 10:04 PM
Just heard the update on the Empire State Bld. shootout. Seems like the well trained, professional police officers shot 9 of the victims! Wow think how many we would have got if we had 5 or 10 well armed gun nuts blasting away!!!
Guido McGinty August 24, 2012 at 11:37 PM
So the portly revenue agents shoot a bunch of people and you call them well-trained and professional. Further, you use that canard to malign a hypothetical private citizen. You have a serious problem with authority fellation.
Guido McGinty August 24, 2012 at 11:45 PM
Further, your premise is that corpulent revenue agents are well-trained in firearm discharge. There is sufficient evidence to find your premise lacking. http://www.usacarry.com/forums/firearm-politics-2nd-amendment-issues/15949-law-enforcement-qualification.html
Bruce Harvey August 24, 2012 at 11:54 PM
Guido, Good Lord Cops that like Donuts!!!! What other news do you have. OK lets just say Fat armed people shot bystanders----I'm sure you would have done much better---bet you could have shot the Big Ape off the roof too!!!
Brian L. August 25, 2012 at 02:13 AM
Nothing like citing a good old credible unbiased source. Really? A forum post on a conceal carry website? I'm sure there are plenty of cops who aren't trained properly just as there are plenty who are. There are also plenty of gun owners who are trained better then cops, but on that token I'm sure there is a greater percentage who has no formal training in firearm use. In all these discussions I have been involved in people cite completely biased sources as pure and total fact. First, this is the internet, web pages aren't always truth. Second, when you quote a study from a site like the NRA, USAcarry, bradycampaign...you should know you are being fed flawed or cooked statistics.
Bruce Harvey August 25, 2012 at 02:18 AM
Brian, AMEN!!!
Max August 25, 2012 at 04:48 AM
No, the shoppers, workers & tourists got in the Cops' way. Any properly-licensed CC holder would probably have done a better job of directing his fire. I hope the City of New York pays dearly for its LEOs' incompetence.
Guido McGinty August 25, 2012 at 05:35 AM
"Nothing like citing a good old credible unbiased source." There is no such thing as an unbiased source. I will take the instructor's word over the word of any replete revenue agent. http://www.policemisconduct.net/
Guido McGinty August 25, 2012 at 05:48 AM
"Cops that like Donuts!!1!!111!!! What other news do you have." In other news, Bruce is the King of Strawmen Construction and Uniform Fetishes. "OK lets just say Fat armed people shot bystanders----I'm sure you would have done much better" No one, husky or otherwise, with a scintilla of adequate training would have done worse. "bet you could have shot the Big Ape off the roof too!!!11!!!1!" Everyone knows that King Kong was impervious to gunfire.
Brian L. August 25, 2012 at 12:24 PM
How on earth do you get to assume CC people would be better in those situations? Especially when some states don't require any kind of classes? According to number roughly 6 million permits for CC exist. Some people may have multiple, and there are a few states that don't need permits, so that number is rough. We also know people carry illegally as some have said on this board (other stories) that they do so. So 6 million citizens carrying a gun, they all would be better then the 800,000 or so law enforcement officers in the US. How would it have been beneficial to have more people pulling guns and shooting at this man in a crowded city street? The cops were there very fast. The man pulls his gun and three other people pull a gun. Now it appears (in the heat of a gun fight) that the criminal had at least one accomplice. Yes, it's just another scenario, but if we get to assume that all people carrying a gun are better shots then all cops, we can also assume more people would have been shot at with more guns on the scene.
Brian L. August 25, 2012 at 12:34 PM
If you can't understand that you are making a very flawed argument, then oh well. Your first citation was literally some guy who said the story was true, and then was only indicative of one department in WI. He also doesn't give a number a failures, just says several failed once and three failed multiple times out of a force of 12. So this one force in obviously a smaller town is indicative of the entire 800,000 law enforcement officers nationwide? Try again. Your second site, while disturbing, only shows that some cops are bad news. I think, or hope, that many people already realized that. But guess what? Many CC holders are bad people and so are many gun owners. We have cops doing immoral and bad things (some of which that site says alleged) and we have legal gun owners going on mass killing sprees.
brian August 25, 2012 at 01:51 PM
where's Big John or dirty Harry when you need them???
Guido McGinty August 26, 2012 at 12:19 AM
A look inside NYPD's Tactical Shooting Range: http://www.flickr.com/photos/expd/7857760018/
Guido McGinty August 26, 2012 at 12:22 AM
And another: http://www.flickr.com/photos/expd/7857954928/ To protect and serve....... and occassionally riddle innocent bystanders with bullets.
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