The spokesman for the Cumberland County, North Carolina Sheriff's Office has posted redacted gun permits dated in 2008 for Wade Michael Page, identified by authorities as the suspect in Sunday's Wisconsin Sikh temple shootings.
Page, an Army veteran, .
Police on Monday said one gunman was responsible for the Sunday shooting that left seven people dead at the Sikh Temple of Wisconsin in Oak Creek: Wade Michael Page, a 40-year-old Army veteran.
The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel reported that Page was attached to the Fort Bragg base in North Carolina. Three bodies were found outside the temple at 7512 S. Howell Ave. and four were inside the building. Among the deceased is the gunman, who apparently acted alone.
The five permits issued are good for five years. According to the North Carolina Rifle & Pistol Association, all handgun transfers in North Carolina require that the intended recipient obtain a Pistol Purchase Permit from his/her local Sheriff.
One Pistol Purchase Permit is required per handgun at $5 apiece. When the owner takes possession of the handgun, they must present the permit to the seller, who must keep it in his or her records. It is a Class 1 misdemeanor if the transaction takes place without the permit being presented.
There is a vigil at the Sikh Temple in Palatine at 7:30 p.m. tonight.
Are you going to start to describe what paint ball and cap guns are for too or are you going to answer my actual question about the guns this debate is about and what they were invented for? And your description isn't a secondary use. Its something you see as a benefit from their first and intended use, as a threat to inflict harm or death. An example would be your argument involving cars. Yes, one of their many secondary uses can be to cause death, but we all know that their primary use is as a transportation device. Two distinctly different uses. For all your grandstanding about more guns saving lives, it doesn't just magically work. Their are plenty of guns in major cities and people still risk getting shot to shoot others.
And yes, people who use tools in the wrong manner probably know how to use them. But they still try and manipulate it a different way that can lead to bad results. That's why we have some very idiotic warnings on things like toasters and not using them in the bathtub. And if you are saying that people don't use guns to cut grass, why are using that to tell me a gun has many uses?
You could have stopped with "he is just another nut." and you would have been just spot on.
And in Chicago - more criminals shooting at more criminals in a gang war, in a city that has extreme gun restrictions. Gun control doesn't work because criminals don't care. The only thing that works? More guns in the hands of LAW-ABIDING people.
When these events occur, we need to prosecute the criminals and move on.
Somehow I think that if we went back to horses and buggies, we'd still have accidents with pedestrians, and stagecoaches which were transporting goods to the General Stores could occasionally break a wheel and flip over and kill someone too... Focus on the person misusing the firearm - not the firearm.
You advocate all this safety but for everything you say, people will still die by gunfire. If the criminal shoots them, if the "law abiding" shoots them, or if the CC permit holder shoots them (criminal or not.) On top of that, nothing you say has any bearing on the people dying in DC or Chicago's poorer areas. More guns will never equal less deaths in places like that.
Further, you use that canard to malign a hypothetical private citizen. You have a serious problem with authority fellation.
http://www.usacarry.com/forums/firearm-politics-2nd-amendment-issues/15949-law-enforcement-qualification.html
In all these discussions I have been involved in people cite completely biased sources as pure and total fact. First, this is the internet, web pages aren't always truth. Second, when you quote a study from a site like the NRA, USAcarry, bradycampaign...you should know you are being fed flawed or cooked statistics.
There is no such thing as an unbiased source. I will take the instructor's word over the word of any replete revenue agent. http://www.policemisconduct.net/
In other news, Bruce is the King of Strawmen Construction and Uniform Fetishes. "OK lets just say Fat armed people shot bystanders----I'm sure you would have done much better" No one, husky or otherwise, with a scintilla of adequate training would have done worse. "bet you could have shot the Big Ape off the roof too!!!11!!!1!" Everyone knows that King Kong was impervious to gunfire.
How would it have been beneficial to have more people pulling guns and shooting at this man in a crowded city street? The cops were there very fast. The man pulls his gun and three other people pull a gun. Now it appears (in the heat of a gun fight) that the criminal had at least one accomplice. Yes, it's just another scenario, but if we get to assume that all people carrying a gun are better shots then all cops, we can also assume more people would have been shot at with more guns on the scene.
Your second site, while disturbing, only shows that some cops are bad news. I think, or hope, that many people already realized that. But guess what? Many CC holders are bad people and so are many gun owners. We have cops doing immoral and bad things (some of which that site says alleged) and we have legal gun owners going on mass killing sprees.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/expd/7857760018/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/expd/7857954928/ To protect and serve....... and occassionally riddle innocent bystanders with bullets.
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